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		<title>By: Karl Hallowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Hallowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, how is the US going to reduce this &quot;hate&quot;, if it continues to do things that are convenient for the people in power?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, how is the US going to reduce this &#8220;hate&#8221;, if it continues to do things that are convenient for the people in power?</p>
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		<title>By: MfK</title>
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		<dc:creator>MfK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The concept of people as &quot;tools of U.S. foreign policy&quot; is something one would expect to encounter in a Marxist academic, not a member of the Iranian middle class.

Not everyone hates this country as much as Jim appears to.  I doubt seriously if that would be the first reaction of any member of the Iranian &quot;broad middle,&quot; and would welcome any evidence to the contrary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The concept of people as &#8220;tools of U.S. foreign policy&#8221; is something one would expect to encounter in a Marxist academic, not a member of the Iranian middle class.</p>
<p>Not everyone hates this country as much as Jim appears to.  I doubt seriously if that would be the first reaction of any member of the Iranian &#8220;broad middle,&#8221; and would welcome any evidence to the contrary.</p>
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		<title>By: Leland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;the broad middle of the Iranian public if they are seen as tools of U.S. foreign policy.&lt;/i&gt;

And do have anything to support that assertion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>the broad middle of the Iranian public if they are seen as tools of U.S. foreign policy.</i></p>
<p>And do have anything to support that assertion?</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 02:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim@December 29th, 2009 at 1:54 am

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The best way to encourage military coups in the Americas would be for the U.S. president to welcome them.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

But, that is precisely what Obama did. Fortunately, the stealth coup in Honduras by a Hugo wannabe was thwarted by the Honduran military.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim@December 29th, 2009 at 1:54 am</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The best way to encourage military coups in the Americas would be for the U.S. president to welcome them.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>But, that is precisely what Obama did. Fortunately, the stealth coup in Honduras by a Hugo wannabe was thwarted by the Honduran military.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://www.transterrestrial.com/?p=23943&#038;cpage=1#comment-95722</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Presume for a moment we have a &#039;group in power&#039; that hates us, and a &#039;group not in power&#039; that also hates us.

Choice one: side with the group in power.
There really isn&#039;t a whole lot we&#039;ll ever manage to do to convince the group in power that we don&#039;t hate them. Because too many of the things we don&#039;t particularly like (nukes everywhere, terrorist &quot;life insurance policies&quot;) are things we had better not be appeasing them on. (Yet we&#039;re trying even that.) So anything we do actually do will come down to &quot;just words.&quot; And money. So now &quot;Power&quot; both hates us and thinks we&#039;re gullible fools.

Choice two: side with neither. Power still hates us. The Oppressed still hate us.

Choice three: side with both. See choice two.

Choice four: Side with the Oppressed - with just words. Or money and words. Let&#039;s see, Power hates us, the Oppressed might feel some slight inspiration - but they&#039;ll see us as a paper tiger when they do manage to make it to power. And not feel any particular gratitude - since we didn&#039;t do much.

None of the choices to this point cause any real feeling of respect, admiration, gratitude or any sense of partnership. Any &quot;Beacon of Freedom&quot; would be seen as more of a taunt than anything useful.

If, on the other hand, you are using a definition of &quot;Diplomacy&quot; that is completely antithetical to our current approach, you might actually end up somewhere. Diplomacy doesn&#039;t mean endless jabbering just to say you said the right damn thing. Diplomacy is war by other means. Whoopi would say it isn&#039;t war war.

President Obama is demonstrating how to lose there too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Presume for a moment we have a &#8216;group in power&#8217; that hates us, and a &#8216;group not in power&#8217; that also hates us.</p>
<p>Choice one: side with the group in power.<br />
There really isn&#8217;t a whole lot we&#8217;ll ever manage to do to convince the group in power that we don&#8217;t hate them. Because too many of the things we don&#8217;t particularly like (nukes everywhere, terrorist &#8220;life insurance policies&#8221;) are things we had better not be appeasing them on. (Yet we&#8217;re trying even that.) So anything we do actually do will come down to &#8220;just words.&#8221; And money. So now &#8220;Power&#8221; both hates us and thinks we&#8217;re gullible fools.</p>
<p>Choice two: side with neither. Power still hates us. The Oppressed still hate us.</p>
<p>Choice three: side with both. See choice two.</p>
<p>Choice four: Side with the Oppressed &#8211; with just words. Or money and words. Let&#8217;s see, Power hates us, the Oppressed might feel some slight inspiration &#8211; but they&#8217;ll see us as a paper tiger when they do manage to make it to power. And not feel any particular gratitude &#8211; since we didn&#8217;t do much.</p>
<p>None of the choices to this point cause any real feeling of respect, admiration, gratitude or any sense of partnership. Any &#8220;Beacon of Freedom&#8221; would be seen as more of a taunt than anything useful.</p>
<p>If, on the other hand, you are using a definition of &#8220;Diplomacy&#8221; that is completely antithetical to our current approach, you might actually end up somewhere. Diplomacy doesn&#8217;t mean endless jabbering just to say you said the right damn thing. Diplomacy is war by other means. Whoopi would say it isn&#8217;t war war.</p>
<p>President Obama is demonstrating how to lose there too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What, the Iranian government will oppress these people more if we voice our support?&lt;/i&gt;

No, these people will lose support from, and influence with, the broad middle of the Iranian public if they are seen as tools of U.S. foreign policy. Again, is it really hard to understand that being seen as helping advance U.S. interests is a liability in some countries?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What, the Iranian government will oppress these people more if we voice our support?</i></p>
<p>No, these people will lose support from, and influence with, the broad middle of the Iranian public if they are seen as tools of U.S. foreign policy. Again, is it really hard to understand that being seen as helping advance U.S. interests is a liability in some countries?</p>
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		<title>By: Pro Libertate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pro Libertate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

What, the Iranian government will oppress these people more if we voice our support?  Do you think the government needs us to speak to know which side we favor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>What, the Iranian government will oppress these people more if we voice our support?  Do you think the government needs us to speak to know which side we favor?</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
		<link>http://www.transterrestrial.com/?p=23943&#038;cpage=1#comment-95555</link>
		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been against the Obama Misadministration offering support to Iranian dissidents because the Obama Misadministration would, as it has done on all things, screw it up -- and in this case with lethal results.

But unlike certain others, I&#039;m saying this because Obama is a screw-up, not because America supposedly is (except inasmuch as 53% of America&#039;s voters in Nov. 2008 elected him).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been against the Obama Misadministration offering support to Iranian dissidents because the Obama Misadministration would, as it has done on all things, screw it up &#8212; and in this case with lethal results.</p>
<p>But unlike certain others, I&#8217;m saying this because Obama is a screw-up, not because America supposedly is (except inasmuch as 53% of America&#8217;s voters in Nov. 2008 elected him).</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Reiter</title>
		<link>http://www.transterrestrial.com/?p=23943&#038;cpage=1#comment-95541</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Reiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nuance and pussyfooting only beget more nuance and pussyfooting.  Sometimes you need to stand in front of the world and unequivocally  challenge an oppressor to &quot;Tear Down This Wall&quot; in no uncertain terms.  And you know what by golly, that wall fell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nuance and pussyfooting only beget more nuance and pussyfooting.  Sometimes you need to stand in front of the world and unequivocally  challenge an oppressor to &#8220;Tear Down This Wall&#8221; in no uncertain terms.  And you know what by golly, that wall fell.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Hallowell</title>
		<link>http://www.transterrestrial.com/?p=23943&#038;cpage=1#comment-95528</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Hallowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Chris, the problem isn&#039;t &quot;understanding&quot; it&#039;s &quot;believing&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Chris, the problem isn&#8217;t &#8220;understanding&#8221; it&#8217;s &#8220;believing&#8221;.</p>
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