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		<title>By: Andrew W</title>
		<link>http://www.transterrestrial.com/?p=46053&#038;cpage=1#comment-295226</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 07:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;1. The discoverers would be accused of fraud, fabrication, and felony. Their biographies would be publicly dissected for the slightest hint of scandal. They would be crucified in the scientific and lay press.&lt;/i&gt;

Sounds familiar, but if it&#039;s sound science, no matter what the political agenda of the &quot;skeptics&quot;, science won&#039;t be an effective weapon to knock it down, the &quot;skeptics&quot; end up resort to the non-science you refer to.

As soon as you&#039;ve found your irrifutable scientific evidence against evolution you should push it for all it&#039;s worth, at least you&#039;ll find plenty of allies outside of the science community.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>1. The discoverers would be accused of fraud, fabrication, and felony. Their biographies would be publicly dissected for the slightest hint of scandal. They would be crucified in the scientific and lay press.</i></p>
<p>Sounds familiar, but if it&#8217;s sound science, no matter what the political agenda of the &#8220;skeptics&#8221;, science won&#8217;t be an effective weapon to knock it down, the &#8220;skeptics&#8221; end up resort to the non-science you refer to.</p>
<p>As soon as you&#8217;ve found your irrifutable scientific evidence against evolution you should push it for all it&#8217;s worth, at least you&#8217;ll find plenty of allies outside of the science community.</p>
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		<title>By: ken anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 05:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read a SF once that said if god exists he should give us a clear message that science could accept which some scientist then found in the expansion of pi.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a SF once that said if god exists he should give us a clear message that science could accept which some scientist then found in the expansion of pi.</p>
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		<title>By: ken anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.transterrestrial.com/?p=46053&#038;cpage=1#comment-295222</link>
		<dc:creator>ken anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 05:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“God did it” is often used as a strawman. Think of a court of law with witnesses. The falsification in this case is showing that the witnesses are liars. When you have &#039;a great cloud of witnesses&#039; this is often considered sufficient to assert the truth of something.

Of course, that could be a conspiracy of liars. In which case, you look at the character of the witnesses. If they all a bunch of gullible blubbering idiots they weighs in one direction. When they are doctors, lawyers, military officers and even credible business people, oh, and tax collectors (being despised doesn&#039;t mean they aren&#039;t credible) it goes the other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“God did it” is often used as a strawman. Think of a court of law with witnesses. The falsification in this case is showing that the witnesses are liars. When you have &#8216;a great cloud of witnesses&#8217; this is often considered sufficient to assert the truth of something.</p>
<p>Of course, that could be a conspiracy of liars. In which case, you look at the character of the witnesses. If they all a bunch of gullible blubbering idiots they weighs in one direction. When they are doctors, lawyers, military officers and even credible business people, oh, and tax collectors (being despised doesn&#8217;t mean they aren&#8217;t credible) it goes the other.</p>
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		<title>By: B Lewis</title>
		<link>http://www.transterrestrial.com/?p=46053&#038;cpage=1#comment-295217</link>
		<dc:creator>B Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 04:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Fletcher Christian, November 22, 2012, 4:22 pm: &lt;i&gt;The distinction between a scientific theory and other assertions of what is thought to be fact is twofold. A theory has to be falsifiable. For example, the theory of evolution (in general form) is falsifiable; a rabbit skeleton in Precambrian rock would do that just fine.&lt;/i&gt;

Really? Because people have been digging up weird, anarchronistic fossils for hundreds of years. Yet somehow the scientific community always finds some means to explain them away.

Thought experiment:  Let&#039;s assume that a number of Haldane&#039;s &quot;Precambrian rabbit&quot; skeletons were to be discovered. Here is what would actually happen:


1. The discoverers would be accused of fraud, fabrication, and felony. Their biographies would be publicly dissected for the slightest hint of scandal. They would be crucified in the scientific and lay press.

2. The scientific community would deny the fossils were rabbits. &quot;The use of the term &#039;Precambrian rabbit&#039; is unscientific. Since rabbits could not have existed in that era, we insist upon the use of the term &#039;putative rabbit-like Precambrian life-form&#039; instead&quot;

2. The scientific community would deny the fossils were Precambrian. &quot;The stratum in which the fossils were discovered, although seemingly Precambrian, may in fact be those of a much later stratum easily confused with the Precambrian.&quot;

3. Assuming that the &quot;Precambrian rabbits&quot; turned out to be genuinely rabbits and genuinely Precambrian, the scientific press would fall back upon dogma. &quot;Anomalies in evolution to not disprove evolution as a whole. They are merely examples of the kind of wonderful mysteries of natural selection that Darwin set out to solve -- mysteries that can only be solved by well-funded scientific research&quot;.

Moral: Any out-of-sequence fossil remnant found, no matter how anachronistic, can be conveniently explained away by the ever-alert members of the &quot;if-I-cain&#039;t-poke-it-with-a-stick-it-ain&#039;t-real&quot; community. Because IF YOU CAIN&#039;T POKE IT WITH A STICK, IT AIN&#039;T REAL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fletcher Christian, November 22, 2012, 4:22 pm: <i>The distinction between a scientific theory and other assertions of what is thought to be fact is twofold. A theory has to be falsifiable. For example, the theory of evolution (in general form) is falsifiable; a rabbit skeleton in Precambrian rock would do that just fine.</i></p>
<p>Really? Because people have been digging up weird, anarchronistic fossils for hundreds of years. Yet somehow the scientific community always finds some means to explain them away.</p>
<p>Thought experiment:  Let&#8217;s assume that a number of Haldane&#8217;s &#8220;Precambrian rabbit&#8221; skeletons were to be discovered. Here is what would actually happen:</p>
<p>1. The discoverers would be accused of fraud, fabrication, and felony. Their biographies would be publicly dissected for the slightest hint of scandal. They would be crucified in the scientific and lay press.</p>
<p>2. The scientific community would deny the fossils were rabbits. &#8220;The use of the term &#8216;Precambrian rabbit&#8217; is unscientific. Since rabbits could not have existed in that era, we insist upon the use of the term &#8216;putative rabbit-like Precambrian life-form&#8217; instead&#8221;</p>
<p>2. The scientific community would deny the fossils were Precambrian. &#8220;The stratum in which the fossils were discovered, although seemingly Precambrian, may in fact be those of a much later stratum easily confused with the Precambrian.&#8221;</p>
<p>3. Assuming that the &#8220;Precambrian rabbits&#8221; turned out to be genuinely rabbits and genuinely Precambrian, the scientific press would fall back upon dogma. &#8220;Anomalies in evolution to not disprove evolution as a whole. They are merely examples of the kind of wonderful mysteries of natural selection that Darwin set out to solve &#8212; mysteries that can only be solved by well-funded scientific research&#8221;.</p>
<p>Moral: Any out-of-sequence fossil remnant found, no matter how anachronistic, can be conveniently explained away by the ever-alert members of the &#8220;if-I-cain&#8217;t-poke-it-with-a-stick-it-ain&#8217;t-real&#8221; community. Because IF YOU CAIN&#8217;T POKE IT WITH A STICK, IT AIN&#8217;T REAL.</p>
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		<title>By: Fletcher Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fletcher Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 00:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The distinction between a scientific theory and other assertions of what is thought to be fact is twofold. A theory has to be falsifiable. For example, the theory of evolution (in general form) is falsifiable; a rabbit skeleton in Precambrian rock would do that just fine.

Perhaps more importantly, theories can also lead to predictions; perhaps the most recent and best-known example is the test of the Theory of Relativity (general form!) by measuring star positions near the Sun.

&quot;God did it&quot; fails as a theory on both counts. Which means that its utility, or lack of it, as an explanation of already-known data is completely irrelevant. As Pauli was fond of saying, it isn&#039;t even wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The distinction between a scientific theory and other assertions of what is thought to be fact is twofold. A theory has to be falsifiable. For example, the theory of evolution (in general form) is falsifiable; a rabbit skeleton in Precambrian rock would do that just fine.</p>
<p>Perhaps more importantly, theories can also lead to predictions; perhaps the most recent and best-known example is the test of the Theory of Relativity (general form!) by measuring star positions near the Sun.</p>
<p>&#8220;God did it&#8221; fails as a theory on both counts. Which means that its utility, or lack of it, as an explanation of already-known data is completely irrelevant. As Pauli was fond of saying, it isn&#8217;t even wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: ken anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s what they call a &#039;given.&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what they call a &#8216;given.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Gregg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 16:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But all this discussion(though interesting) misses the essential point:

The question was purposefully posed - just like the contraceptioon question by George Stephanopoulis during a debate - in order to start the destruction of Rubio by the Democrats.  To either separate him from his base, or marginalize him as a religious kook.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But all this discussion(though interesting) misses the essential point:</p>
<p>The question was purposefully posed &#8211; just like the contraceptioon question by George Stephanopoulis during a debate &#8211; in order to start the destruction of Rubio by the Democrats.  To either separate him from his base, or marginalize him as a religious kook.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregg</title>
		<link>http://www.transterrestrial.com/?p=46053&#038;cpage=1#comment-295201</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 16:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are also required to take on faith the 3 basic Aristotelian notions which are the basis of all of our scientific method:

the law of identity, 

   A is A; 

the law of contradiction, 

   A cannot be both A and not A; 
      - something cannot be true and false at the same time

and the law of the excluded middle,

  A must be either A or not A.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are also required to take on faith the 3 basic Aristotelian notions which are the basis of all of our scientific method:</p>
<p>the law of identity, </p>
<p>   A is A; </p>
<p>the law of contradiction, </p>
<p>   A cannot be both A and not A;<br />
      &#8211; something cannot be true and false at the same time</p>
<p>and the law of the excluded middle,</p>
<p>  A must be either A or not A.</p>
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		<title>By: ken anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.transterrestrial.com/?p=46053&#038;cpage=1#comment-295198</link>
		<dc:creator>ken anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Given that scientific consensus says that reality is a supposition of states that requires an observer it is not even objective. I have difficulty wrapping my mind around that and think most others do as well which means it doesn&#039;t really fit into their framework of understanding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that scientific consensus says that reality is a supposition of states that requires an observer it is not even objective. I have difficulty wrapping my mind around that and think most others do as well which means it doesn&#8217;t really fit into their framework of understanding.</p>
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		<title>By: ken anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.transterrestrial.com/?p=46053&#038;cpage=1#comment-295197</link>
		<dc:creator>ken anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Keep in mind that creationism is just one (awful) theory involving a creator.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep in mind that creationism is just one (awful) theory involving a creator.</p>
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