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Changing Faith

Via Allen Thomson, here's a long essay on how a Christian came to become a non-believer.

Posted by Rand Simberg at August 06, 2004 10:48 AM
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If I have to read that entire thing to change my faith, I'll just keep mine.

Posted by Mike Puckett at August 6, 2004 11:09 AM

Rand, now I am curious. What are your views on this essay?

Posted by Bill White at August 6, 2004 11:39 AM

I've never been a Christian, but it makes sense to me.

Posted by Rand Simberg at August 6, 2004 11:43 AM

His experience is somewhat like mine. About the time I turned 18 and moved out of the house, rationality asserted itself and I abandoned religion. It wasn't easy at first, but abandoning that superstition is easily one of the best things I ever did for myself. It unchains your mind.

Posted by Janessa Ravenwood at August 6, 2004 12:13 PM

I must say that I have had a very different than him. I was "saved" at roughly the same age as Mr. Hobbs but I took a very different pattern in life. While he went to IVCF meetings and did Bible studies, I looked at porn and cheated on my girlfriends. Unlike him, when I headed off to college, I found God. For a long time in my life, I asked the same questions he did, only I found answers. For example, he and I have both wondered why a believing Christian might be miraculaously saved or pray to be healed. He found no answer. I found one (as an Evangelical, this should have been easy for him; the only things that man can do on Earth that he can't in heaven are to witness and minister to your fellow man). I wish that he had looked a little harder in his search. He might have found what he was looking for.

Posted by Matt at August 6, 2004 12:25 PM

I gave up on organized religion when the church of which I was supposedly a member determined that the Sandanistas were the modern successors to the twelve apostles. Since then I check up on them every so often, and as far as I can tell, they've never met an anti-American/Leftwing dicatatorial thug they didn't like, with the possible exception of Milosavic, where they took a "pox on both your houses" stand.

Posted by Raoul Ortega at August 6, 2004 01:48 PM

I used to argue ... er ... discuss religion. Eventually I realized that the worldviews are often just too far apart: You end up talking past each other, so it is pointless at best. But it was interesting to see how he changed his worldview by himself.

Posted by VR at August 6, 2004 01:55 PM

I can see how church makes for an important social institution. But the Bible just has to many contradictions and I get tired of the Holy rollers saying well this morning I woke up and God told me to drink coffee instead of tea and now I've been saved.

Posted by Hefty at August 6, 2004 02:12 PM

Just another example of how a liberal arts education can completely screw up a decent human being. Philosophy over engineering?!? This guy was doomed from that moment on.

Posted by Dave G at August 6, 2004 02:39 PM

I realised I didn't believe in God when I was about 6; I'd done, and continued afterwards to do the sunday school thing- but at that age I knew it with reasonable certainty.

Posted by Ian Woollard at August 6, 2004 03:59 PM

What I really love though is when professional athletes win the big game and then start running around pointing at the sky and screaming "Thank you Jebus!!" I mean do they really think the son of God was up there rooting for a NFL football game. I can't help but to roll my eyes at Kurt Warner almost every time I hear him speak about how God filled his heart and made him throw the football.

Posted by Hefty at August 6, 2004 05:15 PM

Rand, interesting link, and certainly under the category of "Infinity & Beyond". I'm a Bible believing Christian. That aside, if there was a god who created all things at some time, he/she/it would naturally be beyond our ability to understand.

I don't claim to understand everything about God and the Bible and how it applies to everyday life. However I think many people approach the God and the Bible, just like they do politics. They may be comfortable as a democrat, therefore they are more likely to believe whatever bad things they hear about Bush. That is a stupid approach whether for politics or religion.

I personally have not seen any internal inconsistencies or contradictions in the Bible that can't be reasonable and rationally explained. And that is not because I "want" to believe. My life would sometimes be easier and more pleasant if I weren't a Christian.

Posted by Jeff Arnall at August 6, 2004 06:46 PM

Man, I feel sorry for people that have to go through this kind of tortuous philosophical journey just to enjoy life. But, hey, at least he found happiness. Me, I'll stick to my beer and TV, church on sundays.

Seriously, if this is a good example of what it takes to live a balanced, moral life as an atheist, I think atheism is always doomed to remain a minority philosophy. Anybody spending that much time thinking about life, the universe and everything isn't spending enough time procreating.

Besides, the answer's 42.

dex

Posted by dex at August 8, 2004 09:21 PM

>>If I have to read that entire thing to change my faith, I'll just keep mine.

..... or you could read Bertrand Russell's 1927 lecture on why he was not a christian:

http://www.libmansworld.com/BertrandRussell.htm

Posted by Canute at August 9, 2004 09:14 AM

Russell was a loon. In his moral arguments he doesn't consider a third alternative: God's fiat is good because God's nature is good, and He never deviates from His nature.

On the subject of utilitarianism, which arises in the featured essay, on separate occasions I scored 100% Kant and 100% Mill on that philosophy quiz. Maybe it's because the utilitarians and Kantians are seeing different portions of what defines good and mistaking their respective portions for the whole thing. Like saying WMDs were the only reason for war in Iraq.

Posted by Alan K. Henderson at August 10, 2004 01:48 AM


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