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Here's where a misguided multiculturalism and moral relativism leads--the rape of the unveiled women:
As far as the Western feminists are concerned, they seem to be hovering in other dimensions, in absolute arrogance, learned from ethnologues like Claude Lévy-Strauss. For them, freedom is that each "culture" may it be as inhuman as can be, is entitled to prosper even on our soil, and the next act in this surrealistic piece of stage play is the unlimited understanding the Norwegian Professor Ms. Unni Wikan shows for Muslims raping Western women: Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes, as they are not dressing and behaving according to Muslim understanding. The Norwegian women, in her view, are to realize that they live in a multicultural society and adapt themselves to it, as Mark Steyn reported already in 2002...
It's hard to call this a clash of civilizations, because I don't want to dignify such thinking with the word "civilized." But it's a clash of cultures, and they're clearly incompatible. I don't know how this will end, but it won't be pretty.Posted by Rand Simberg at March 07, 2006 10:17 AM
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"This example to say that, in Muslim culture, values exist, but the line between good and evil is drawn somewhere else, far away from our understanding."
Values exist, eh? But not far away from my understanding. It's just that I have no more interest in, or respect for, the values of this "culture", than I do the values of hyenas or termites.
If the Euros begin mass deportations, I will be clapping and cheering.
It's hard to call it a clash of civilizations when we apparently aren't even willing to fight.Posted by NukemHill at March 7, 2006 11:14 AM
When is it the turn of the newly arrived to begin to understand the fact that they have joined another culture. Never would be the answer, if the movement is east to west.
I am not a racist, a biggot or a xenophobe, however western countries better stop this stuff quickly or they will certainly die from not trying.Posted by Steve at March 7, 2006 11:29 AM
I bet this would happen less if there was a constitutionally guaranteed right to arms. I know if someone did this to my daughter (and the government ignored it), they would die. In the end, if your government doesn't protect you, and denies you the right to protect yourself, what do you do?Posted by David Summers at March 7, 2006 11:33 AM
Given ethic europeans are a sharply declining fraction of Europes population (due to very low birth rates) and mid east Immigrants and their offspring (many with extream anti western views even by mideast standards) are a rapidly increasing fraction; the future in Europe could be very very bad. I.E. a democracy where the values are voted toward such extreams.Posted by Kelly Starks at March 7, 2006 12:07 PM
Partly it's a question of muslim religious law
The big question for muslims about sex slaves seems to be whether
Malik related to me from Nafi from Abdullah ibn Umar that Umar ibn
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 137:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 506:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
That during the battle with Bani Al-Mustaliq they (Muslims) captured
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 459:
Narrated Ibn Muhairiz:
I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Said Al-Khudri and sat beside him
Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3383:
Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported that a man came to Allah's
Malik's Muwatta, Book 29, Number 29.32.100:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Humayd ibn Qays al-Makki that
Malik said, "A man does not practise coitus interruptus with a free
Malik's Muwatta, Book 29, Number 29.32.99:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Damra ibn Said al-Mazini from al-Hajjaj
Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3432:
Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported that at the
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 46, Number 731:
Narrated Abu Huraira and Zaid bin Khalid:
The Prophet said, "If a slave-girl (Ama) commits illegal sexual
The Exemplary Example of 'Ali, The Prophet's Cousin and Son-In-Law
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 637:
The Prophet sent 'Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and
Malik's Muwatta, Book 31, Number 31.5.6:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi that Abdullah ibn Umar would
Malik said that a man who bought a slave-girl on condition that he did
Book 31, Number 31.4.4:
Malik's Muwatta, Book 41, Number 41.6.20:
Malik related to me from Rabia ibn Abi Abd ar-Rahman that Umar ibn
Malik's Muwatta, Book 30, Number 30.2.13: (note: according to Shari'ah,
Yahya related to me from Malik that Abdullah ibn Dinar said, "A man
Anyway, I think this is more than enough to get the gist...
Arguably, raping a non-muslim is in a sense an act of worship of God.
I am unable to access Fatimah's site today.Posted by Mark at March 7, 2006 12:25 PM
Well, based on the supposed saying of "A woman for boys, a boy for please, and for exctacy a goat", mixed in with the fact that muslims love to bang "infidels" no matter how much they fight, or bleate, proves that muslims MUST have an unnatural attraction towards animals. Either that, or they, themselves, at least in this instance are the animals.
You won't ever catch me appologizing for islam, and you won't find me appologizing to a follower of islam. Screw them, They are happy to screw those we care about.Posted by wickedpinto at March 7, 2006 12:54 PM
I have always said this will end badly. We can live with them, but they cannot live with us.
The only variable that remains to discover is exactly how many people are going to die in the resolution.Posted by V-Man at March 7, 2006 02:43 PM
The only variable to be determined, V-man, is how best to irradicate these ass-wipes from the planet.Posted by Kurt at March 7, 2006 03:58 PM
The best answer to this was given in an indirect way by a British officer in the days of the Raj. The Brits at the time were trying to stamp out the practice of suttee, that of throwing a man's widow onto his funeral pyre with him.
A Brahmin priest protested that this was part of their culture. The answer of the officer was something like: "Understood. And part of our culture is that when someone commits such an act we hang him by the neck until he is dead."
The point was taken.Posted by Ian Campbell at March 7, 2006 05:13 PM
"...part of our culture is that when someone commits such an act we hang him by the neck until he is dead." Were it still true.
Civilized people often forget how to deal with the uncivilized because it is abhorent to us.
We might consider this essay...
...and it's conclusion...
"It is time to cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war. Otherwise, this in truth will be a war without end."Posted by ken anthony at March 8, 2006 01:55 AM
So, let's have a reality based TV gameshow where we take the governments of each major muslim city. Then, have them go through various challenges to show how well they can adapt at becoming sane, peaceful, democratic, and trustworthy human beings. The loser at the end of the show gets their city bombed to high holy hell with the biggest, dirtiest nukes we can find.
The catch phrase can be:
Oh geeze, you're going to condemn an entire culture because of the actions of a few hooligans? Every culture has its bad points and ours is certainly no exception. The way people talk here of bombing Muslims with the biggest, dirtiest nukes they can find, who can blame Iran for feeling paranoid and wanting nukes with which to defend itself against sociopathic aggressors like GWB?Posted by X at March 9, 2006 05:06 PM
X, did it occur to you that Josh Reiter might be, (with forgiveness begged from Mr. Reiter), joshing a little bit? That he might be engaged in a little hyperbole, or a little sarcasm?
With regards to the rest of your comment, I don't think I am the only one becoming weary with the 'few bad apples' argument. 45 dead and counting over squiggles of ink on paper convinces me that they aren't folks just like us, that all men are not brothers under the skin, and that their so-called 'civilisation' is inferior to ours.
As annoying and feckless as some European governments have been in the past, I hate seeing what's happening to Europe. I won't like seeing the font of our culture die and be taken over by Muslims. It is happening right now, which is sad, because too many of them accept stupid brutality as just another lifestyle choice.
Yeah, I'll condemn them. They are not as good as we are, and don't deserve the many concessions we make to them. If we allow them to live amongst us, a precious gift indeed, they must be taught manners, whether the lesson be hard or easy.Posted by Mike James at March 9, 2006 06:18 PM
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