They say that artists suffer for their art.

What deranged notions would possess American actors to take part in a film like this one? What's next? A film version of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, starring Barbra Streisand?

Maybe there's a good reason that these particular "artists" should suffer for their art. Help them along, and fulfill their destiny, by refusing to pay money to see it.

Rand,
Change the American characters to Russians, Iraq to Colorado, and the Turks to Brat Pack actors, and what you'd have is Red Dawn. Go ahead and deny you don't own the special edition director's cut and autographed posters of that "underappreciated gem of patriotic American cinema." HOY-O!

Sorry to disappoint, but I've never seen the movie, let alone own it. And I fail to see the relevance.

I've seen "Red Dawn" and I wouldn't mind owning it. I think I’ll go to Amazon and buy it in your honor Brian.

But.….

There is no, zero, zilch, nada comparison between "Red Dawn" and the above referenced piece of cinematic propaganda.

Is it that you, Brian, believe that Jews kill Arabs for sport and sell their organs?

I missed the part in Red Dawn where one of our close allies was the bad guys. I remember it being the Soviets/Cubans and Nicaraguans.

I also remember them showing the Nicarguan in a very positive light. A soldier doing his job but not into it like the cuban.

Seems a big difference to me than Jewish doctors taking body parts and American officers glorifying in killing civilians. I must have missed something I guess.

On suffering for art. Billie Zane said he took the role because he thinks all war is bad and this movie shows war as bad. Pretty deep thinking there.

Gary Busy's people said he needed the paycheck. No comment on the movies politics.

I'm surprised the Baldwins don't have half the roles in this movie, actually. And Susan Sarandon, too.

I wonder what they will say at the Oscars for their win in best foreign film?

You know you are on the D-List when you have to go to Turkey to find work on a $10 million film. Busey's last major production was Dr. Dolittle 3 (he was the voice of a dog). A bit of irony to this dog bites man story.

Ah yes... Red Dawn. A showcase of the various films out of Hollywood banking on the certainty that Wild West Cowboy Ronald Reagan would lead us into a disasterous war with the USSR. Quick Brian, fly out to the Israel/Syrian border and release 99 red ballons.

I brought up Red Dawn in jest, but in all seriousness I have to wonder that it seems this film offends more right-wingers than Abu Ghraib did.

I brought up Red Dawn in jest

Yes, I'm still holding my sides in pain from the hilarity.

but in all seriousness I have to wonder that it seems this film offends more right-wingers than Abu Ghraib did.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not a "right winger." All of this arbitrary political categorization gets quite tiresome.

And I was quite offended by Abu Ghraib. I just wasn't as offended as some demanded that I be, and I didn't see any reason to fire Don Rumsfeld or impeach George Bush over it.

I think what's disturbing about this --- and I'm not a right-winger by a long shot; I would have demanded a refund on Red Dawn if I hadn't found it unintentionally hilarious -- is how relatively well financed (for Turkey) and popular (in Turkey) the film is. That may or may not translate into actual belief in its premises, and even if it does, such belief may or may not translate into action. But viewed as a proxy for Turkish attitudes, it's very bad news.

While "Red Dawn" had good guys and bad guys it was more of a traditional war movie.

It didn't try to introduce a modernized version of the Blood Libel as a plot element.

(And, of course, The Valley Of Wolves has their modern version directed against the same people the last fifteen million versions of the blood libel were directed against previously.)

Valley of the Wolves is another media weapon that will just stir the anger in those that already have it. The poeple who go watch it already hate us, and will continue to do so. To even compare it to Red Dawn is a classic "Apples and Oranges" story.

Heck, the media in America will probably pick up the rally cry for the "greatest movie ever made" and try to get Americans to go see it.

It happens all the time, just a different source.

Brian, can you point to a comment that suggests anybody, other than yourself, was particularly offended by Red Dawn?

What we should do to retaliate is film some movies and TV shows where Arabs and Muslims are the bad guys. That way we can stereotype them and paint them with a broad brush. That would show 'em!

Leland,
I was referring to the Turkish film, not Red Dawn. And nobody was offended by Red Dawn because its primary targets (Russians) never saw it, and its domestic ones (liberals) have a sense of humor.

Ahh, David...your first sentence makes me laugh.

Fellow howlers, this one is a no brainer. The Islamofascicsts will use this as proof of our wrong deeds, the liberals will use this as our proof of our wrong deeds and I will no longer pay to see or rent movies with Misters Busey or Zane. Remove the money, we no longer will hear from the idiotarians.

I hate this, Barbarosa is one of my favorite movies.

I apologize Brian. I assumed you had decent grammar skills, and therefore the "this film" referred to the subject "Red Dawn" from earlier in the sentence.

I beleive I missed the part in Red Dawn where the Soviets Jew Doctors were selling American body parts in Moscow.

Is this some special directors cut that John Milnus sent you and you alone? "Red Dawn Redux"?

Perhaps you simply imagined this scene whilst in some chemically induced state of delerium.

The big problem with the comparison: Red Dawn features a fictional war and a realistic portrayal of the Soviets as imperialist conquerors, while Valley of Wolves: Iraq features a real military internment camp and a parade of anti-American and anti-Jewish blood libel.

Brian, the Soviets and Cubans had large networks of gulags, and had long histories of imprisoning and torturing and killing political dissidents...and even just people who were too popular. The Sandinistas didn't exactly have clean hands either. Or have you forgotten all that?

The Turkish film features (still another Muslim-produced) depiction of the Blood Libel, except this time it's body parts instead of blood in Passover matzoh.

Seems to me there's plenty of reason to be outraged and disgusted with those who produced the film...and with all who approve of it.