What if Moveon.org had been around sixty-five years ago?

There's a difference between being unapologetically partisan and being satirical. I think this was intended as satire but taken way too seriously by a lot of folks who ought to know better.

Artemus:
If you are referring to MoveOn's ad, I have a bridge to sell you.

The account of Eisenhower was spot on. The Germans had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor. Even worse, we adopted a "Europe First" policy despite German innocence. In Operation Torch, within a year of December 7th, we actually wound up fighting our friends the French in North Africa! Just goes to show you what kind of country this really is.

Simberg forgets the Nazi's declared War on the US on December 11th 1941

Anonymous forgets the Iraqis had been defying the terms of the truce from Desert Storm, for something like eleven years.

Not that I want to step on anybody's retreading of that old "rush to war" meme.

That the Iraqi's don't like the UN, is a fact
but irrelevant to Simbergs silly little
diatribe about MoveOn and WW2.

It is tpical of the silliness that
is found in the autistic right that
They leave out the fact Germany declared war
on the US on Dec 11 1941.

That was the Basis for the US military
actions in the European Theater.

If GWB had been president in 1941, we'd
have been fighting the war on peace
by invading China.

Procurement of Personnel for China
DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY
Office of the Secretary
Washington

CONFIDENTIAL February 1, 1941

SUBJECT: Procurement of Personnel for China

1. Mr. Pawley and Colonel Chennault called today and informed me that an agreement had been reached between Curtiss, Inter-Continent and the Chinese for the servicing of 100 P-40's for China. It is also agreed that Inter-Continent will handle the procurement of American personnel.

2. Personnel requirements are:

100 pilots
150 enlisted ground crew.

They emphasized the need for experienced personnel and the only feasible solution appears to be Reserve officers and enlisted men. They are ready to send [their?] people, Pawley, Leighton and Chennault, at once to the Air Stations, both Army and Navy, to find volunteers. They realize the necessity for keeping things quiet and will take due precautions.

3. The followign will be required:

(a) Approval by War and Navy Departments of resignations of Reserve personnel without detriment to their future status in the service, in order to accept employment with the Central Aircraft Corporation.

Note: BuNav is ready to do this, but it will have to be taken up with the Army, and I understand that General Arnold has not yet been informed by Secretary Stimson. I suggest that you personally take this up with Secretary Stimson, and also with Admiral Towers, who is not very enthusiastic about the idea, I believe.

(b) Deferment of draft through Mr. [illegible], inasmuch as these people will all be subject to draft as soon as released from Reserve status.

(c) Passports to be cleared by State Department, the applicants requesting passports to China for employment with Central Aircraft Corporation.

Note: I have taken this up with the State Department and they are willing to issue the passports to individuals as bona fide employees of Central Aircraft.

(d) Pawley, Leighton and Chennault should have letters from someone in the War and Navy Departments, either the Secretarys or Chiefs of Personnel, authorizing them to visit the various Air Stations.

(e) It was pointed out to me that this considerable organization would hardly be worth sounding out and estabishing unless there were an excellent prospect for further rlease of planes to carry on the work. They will have to start more or less from scratch in [illegible] and work their way in against probable opposition.

/s/ [illegible]

This was before Pearl Harbor. Let's add "Black ops", use of "civilian advisors" and "mercenaries" to the list.

The trouble with so many who criticise in the present is that they're clueless about the past.

If GWB had been president in 1941, we'd
have been fighting the war on peace
by invading China.

Well, the Japanese were in China...