As with all things Obama, this will happen according to a well planned schedule, 12:00 pm today. Tune in.
When the fact that McCain's father in law was a felon with ties to organized crime is known, McCain will be tarnished beyond recognition:
That's next week.
Each time Palin tries to change the topic from a real one to innuendo, a fact about McCain-Palin will be highlighted. I doubt John McCain or Sarah Palin have any idea where this path they are taking is going to lead them. We could have been discussing the economy.
Meanwhile apparently the record of births at Mat-Su hospital does not indicate the birth of Trig Palin. It's quite odd, I think. Why isn't there a record? We don't need to go there, but if pressed, yes, we can.
Rand Simberg wrote:
Meanwhile apparently the record of births at Mat-Su hospital does not indicate the birth of Trig Palin. It's quite odd, I think. Why isn't there a record? We don't need to go there, but if pressed, yes, we can.
You are a loon.
Mike Gerson wrote:
I'm sorry Rand, but that seems a perfectly fair question. Why is there no record of Trig Palin's birth at Mat-Su hospital?
You don't think that there is something strange about that?
Rand Simberg wrote:
You don't think that there is something strange about that?
What I think is strange (well, actually, demented--Andrew Sullivan at least has an excuse with his HIV--what's yours?), is obsessing about this non-issue that has been proven to be nonsense.
And you're equally loony if you think that bringing up the Keating Five, an old and well-plumbed story about a Democrat scandal (four Dems, one Republican) in which the Republican was exonerated by the Dem counsel, and the origin of his fanaticism in going after campaign finance reform, is going to hurt John McCain.
Mike Gerson wrote:
Oh sure Keating Five is going to hurt McCain. Unlike Obama, where there is absolutely nothing proven and only innuendo to go by, McCain was actually involved in the Keating scandal and confessed his foolishness as well as bad judgement . McCain's friendship with Keating was very well known and happened while Keating was right then involved in criminal activity.
If you think this isn't going to hurt McCain in today's financial climate, you are kidding yourself.
Now, where do you see that the Trig Palin issue has been fully exposed and is a non-issue? I certainly haven't seen anything to make this case other than frantic forces in the McCain-Palin camp making frantic noises hoping it goes away. Palin claims the baby was born at Mat-Su hospital. So why is there no record of birth? If you call the hospital they say they are not free to comment on it at this time. Why?
A very plausible explanation is that the birth occurred elsewhere. If so, there may be no evidence available as to whether Palin was actually the mother. It's all very strange and you should admit it. You would be hollering about this if the shoe was on the other foot: say for example if it was Hillary Clinton intead of Sarah Palin - you would be screaming bloody murder Rand, come on now, admit it please ;-)
It also ties into the fact that no medical records are being released for Sarah Palin. There is something very odd and strange here and I hope we find out the truth before the election. Honestly, it is important that we do. I mean if there is nothing to it Palin could immediately release the record of birth and make the problem go away. Since the continuing existence of this issue can only hurt the McCain campaign, it is abundantly clear that the reason no such release has happened is because there is some falsehood that is being hidden; at least that is the only conclusion I can reach. Please give me an alternate explanation that is feasible and I'll be happy to accept it.
Rand Simberg wrote:
Since the continuing existence of this issue can only hurt the McCain campaign
The issue doesn't exist in the mind of anyone not already deeply in the tank for Obama (i.e., no one sane).
it is abundantly clear that the reason no such release has happened is because there is some falsehood that is being hidden; at least that is the only conclusion I can reach. Please give me an alternate explanation that is feasible and I'll be happy to accept it.
They think the notion so nutty that it's not worthy of a response.
Mike Gerson wrote:
I'm sorry Rand but that explanation of it's so nutty doesn't wash. A private poll taken on exactly this question shows over 70% of the respondents wanted to know the facts about the birth. How will they react if they now know that there is no record of birth at Mat-Su?
You bet this will come up if Palin keeps spewing innuendo. You bet it's going to look bad for McCain-Palin if she's caught in another twisting of the facts. It's only one small item in a body of evidence against McCain-Palin.
It would go away in a second if Palin's medical records were released. So why not release them. Why not defuse this bomb?
Rand Simberg wrote:
A private poll taken on exactly this question shows over 70% of the respondents wanted to know the facts about the birth.
Cite?
You bet it's going to look bad for McCain-Palin if she's caught in another twisting of the facts.
"Another" "twisting of the facts"? This latest insanity implies that there was a first occurence.
The notion that Trig is not Sarah Palin's child remains insane.
Bob wrote:
Mike, what is the worst imaginable scenario regarding Palin's family? Unless there is a felony involved, I can't imagine what difference it would make if there WAS deception going on. I think the Palin children are entitled to privacy, and more than that, a completely hands-off policy, of the kind that is granted to underage children of presidents.
On the other hand, the story of how Palin took a commercial airplane trip after going into labor seems a bit borderline, but probably fair game. My Republican sisters-in-law were both intitially inclined to like Palin until they heard that story. They are both doctors, and they sat around listing all the things that could have gone wrong, and endangered Palin, the baby, and possibly even the rest of the passengers (the scenario there is that the plane makes a sub-optimal emergency landing). If the story is true, it shows remarkably bad judgement. If the story that Palin was motivated by wanting to have her son born on Alaskan soil, it also brings up the concern over her ties to secessionists ( in this case, the concern wouldn't be secession per se, but that she is motivated by the cause that she did something stupid.)
Mike Gerson wrote:
Bob,
If it turns out that Trig was not her child but that Sarah Palin knowingly pushed this fabrication on her constituents and later on the 2008 Presidential campaign, I think that does matter.
It may have been done to save someone close to her some ignominy, but as a public servant, she has as great a responsibility to tell the truth. Conscious misrepresentation of the facts of the case to the public is indeed a serious issue.
As I said earlier, it is easily resolved by releasing her medical records. Why keep them under wraps if there is nothing to hide? Why do you think the hospital has no record of Trig's birth?
Bob wrote:
I think that if the motivation for some sort of deception was simply to spare someone embarrassment, that's ok - we're not harmed. We learned from the Monica Lewinsky fiasco that it is better to just not ask about personal embarrasments. I do understand that Rand derived a different lesson from the Lewinsky affair -- perjury, obstruction of justice, etc, etc. Actually, if you're right that there was some sort of cover-up, there might be a misdemeanor - falsifacation of records perhaps, and maybe Raynd will eventually come around to your point of view.
And you wanted know my theory. Maybe Trig was born at a differnt hospital. The worst case I can think of is that Trig really *wasn't* born in Alaska, and this bothers the Palins because of their unpatriotic disbelief in E Pluribus Unum. so they are lying about it. But I care about the unpatriotic beliefs, which aren't really in doubt, rather than any deception over a private personal matter.
Andy Freeman wrote:
> I'm sorry Rand, but that seems a perfectly fair question. Why is there no record of Trig Palin's birth at Mat-Su hospital?
Oh boy - does this mean we get to ask for Obama's birth records?
After all, Palin's kid isn't running for president, so if he wasn't born in th US, who cares.
If Obama wasn't born in the US or territories, the Dems need a new candidate....
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No worries.
When the Keating 5 Case is known to every American, McCain's numbers will be in the 30's. I think it starts about now:
http://www.keatingeconomics.com/
As with all things Obama, this will happen according to a well planned schedule, 12:00 pm today. Tune in.
When the fact that McCain's father in law was a felon with ties to organized crime is known, McCain will be tarnished beyond recognition:
That's next week.
Each time Palin tries to change the topic from a real one to innuendo, a fact about McCain-Palin will be highlighted. I doubt John McCain or Sarah Palin have any idea where this path they are taking is going to lead them. We could have been discussing the economy.
Meanwhile apparently the record of births at Mat-Su hospital does not indicate the birth of Trig Palin. It's quite odd, I think. Why isn't there a record? We don't need to go there, but if pressed, yes, we can.
Meanwhile apparently the record of births at Mat-Su hospital does not indicate the birth of Trig Palin. It's quite odd, I think. Why isn't there a record? We don't need to go there, but if pressed, yes, we can.
You are a loon.
I'm sorry Rand, but that seems a perfectly fair question. Why is there no record of Trig Palin's birth at Mat-Su hospital?
You don't think that there is something strange about that?
You don't think that there is something strange about that?
What I think is strange (well, actually, demented--Andrew Sullivan at least has an excuse with his HIV--what's yours?), is obsessing about this non-issue that has been proven to be nonsense.
And you're equally loony if you think that bringing up the Keating Five, an old and well-plumbed story about a Democrat scandal (four Dems, one Republican) in which the Republican was exonerated by the Dem counsel, and the origin of his fanaticism in going after campaign finance reform, is going to hurt John McCain.
Oh sure Keating Five is going to hurt McCain. Unlike Obama, where there is absolutely nothing proven and only innuendo to go by, McCain was actually involved in the Keating scandal and confessed his foolishness as well as bad judgement . McCain's friendship with Keating was very well known and happened while Keating was right then involved in criminal activity.
If you think this isn't going to hurt McCain in today's financial climate, you are kidding yourself.
Now, where do you see that the Trig Palin issue has been fully exposed and is a non-issue? I certainly haven't seen anything to make this case other than frantic forces in the McCain-Palin camp making frantic noises hoping it goes away. Palin claims the baby was born at Mat-Su hospital. So why is there no record of birth? If you call the hospital they say they are not free to comment on it at this time. Why?
A very plausible explanation is that the birth occurred elsewhere. If so, there may be no evidence available as to whether Palin was actually the mother. It's all very strange and you should admit it. You would be hollering about this if the shoe was on the other foot: say for example if it was Hillary Clinton intead of Sarah Palin - you would be screaming bloody murder Rand, come on now, admit it please ;-)
It also ties into the fact that no medical records are being released for Sarah Palin. There is something very odd and strange here and I hope we find out the truth before the election. Honestly, it is important that we do. I mean if there is nothing to it Palin could immediately release the record of birth and make the problem go away. Since the continuing existence of this issue can only hurt the McCain campaign, it is abundantly clear that the reason no such release has happened is because there is some falsehood that is being hidden; at least that is the only conclusion I can reach. Please give me an alternate explanation that is feasible and I'll be happy to accept it.
Since the continuing existence of this issue can only hurt the McCain campaign
The issue doesn't exist in the mind of anyone not already deeply in the tank for Obama (i.e., no one sane).
it is abundantly clear that the reason no such release has happened is because there is some falsehood that is being hidden; at least that is the only conclusion I can reach. Please give me an alternate explanation that is feasible and I'll be happy to accept it.
They think the notion so nutty that it's not worthy of a response.
I'm sorry Rand but that explanation of it's so nutty doesn't wash. A private poll taken on exactly this question shows over 70% of the respondents wanted to know the facts about the birth. How will they react if they now know that there is no record of birth at Mat-Su?
You bet this will come up if Palin keeps spewing innuendo. You bet it's going to look bad for McCain-Palin if she's caught in another twisting of the facts. It's only one small item in a body of evidence against McCain-Palin.
It would go away in a second if Palin's medical records were released. So why not release them. Why not defuse this bomb?
A private poll taken on exactly this question shows over 70% of the respondents wanted to know the facts about the birth.
Cite?
You bet it's going to look bad for McCain-Palin if she's caught in another twisting of the facts.
"Another" "twisting of the facts"? This latest insanity implies that there was a first occurence.
The notion that Trig is not Sarah Palin's child remains insane.
Mike, what is the worst imaginable scenario regarding Palin's family? Unless there is a felony involved, I can't imagine what difference it would make if there WAS deception going on. I think the Palin children are entitled to privacy, and more than that, a completely hands-off policy, of the kind that is granted to underage children of presidents.
On the other hand, the story of how Palin took a commercial airplane trip after going into labor seems a bit borderline, but probably fair game. My Republican sisters-in-law were both intitially inclined to like Palin until they heard that story. They are both doctors, and they sat around listing all the things that could have gone wrong, and endangered Palin, the baby, and possibly even the rest of the passengers (the scenario there is that the plane makes a sub-optimal emergency landing). If the story is true, it shows remarkably bad judgement. If the story that Palin was motivated by wanting to have her son born on Alaskan soil, it also brings up the concern over her ties to secessionists ( in this case, the concern wouldn't be secession per se, but that she is motivated by the cause that she did something stupid.)
Bob,
If it turns out that Trig was not her child but that Sarah Palin knowingly pushed this fabrication on her constituents and later on the 2008 Presidential campaign, I think that does matter.
It may have been done to save someone close to her some ignominy, but as a public servant, she has as great a responsibility to tell the truth. Conscious misrepresentation of the facts of the case to the public is indeed a serious issue.
As I said earlier, it is easily resolved by releasing her medical records. Why keep them under wraps if there is nothing to hide? Why do you think the hospital has no record of Trig's birth?
I think that if the motivation for some sort of deception was simply to spare someone embarrassment, that's ok - we're not harmed. We learned from the Monica Lewinsky fiasco that it is better to just not ask about personal embarrasments. I do understand that Rand derived a different lesson from the Lewinsky affair -- perjury, obstruction of justice, etc, etc. Actually, if you're right that there was some sort of cover-up, there might be a misdemeanor - falsifacation of records perhaps, and maybe Raynd will eventually come around to your point of view.
And you wanted know my theory. Maybe Trig was born at a differnt hospital. The worst case I can think of is that Trig really *wasn't* born in Alaska, and this bothers the Palins because of their unpatriotic disbelief in E Pluribus Unum. so they are lying about it. But I care about the unpatriotic beliefs, which aren't really in doubt, rather than any deception over a private personal matter.
> I'm sorry Rand, but that seems a perfectly fair question. Why is there no record of Trig Palin's birth at Mat-Su hospital?
Oh boy - does this mean we get to ask for Obama's birth records?
After all, Palin's kid isn't running for president, so if he wasn't born in th US, who cares.
If Obama wasn't born in the US or territories, the Dems need a new candidate....