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Back In Business

OK, I'm back in the ARES Torrance office, and I'll be flying back to Florida tonight. Some conference thoughts:

This was a little disappointing, relative to last year. It seemed much more like a traditional AIAA conference (not that there's anything wrong with that), but it had much less of a NewSpace flavor, for two reasons, I think. First, last year was sort of an anomaly, because it was up in San Jose on Ames' turf, and it was really Pete Worden's conference. He worked pretty hard to make it a NewSpace conference. Second, it was (let's face it) a bad year for NewSpace. While there are some success stories (more on that in a minute), the explosion at Scaled put a damper on things somewhat, and RpK's problems will haunt people raising money, though they had a somewhat unique situation. There was very little NewSpace presence, at least relative to last year.

On the other hand, Jeff Greason was on the first morning's plenary panel, and was a refreshing new voice, in conjunction with the usual suspects from the Aerospace Industries Association and other usual suspects. As he noted himself, a few years ago, there wouldn't have been even a slot on the panel for someone like him, let alone him personally. XCOR has come a long way, and seems to continue to do well.

He was also on a panel with Elon, in which "the Gap" was a topic of much discussion, and for some, consternation. This Wired article describes it (sort of). Why this is big news, I don't know. There has been a "gap" ever since January 14th, 2004. It was intrinsic in the VSE announcement. All that's changed is that it's increased slightly, from four years to five. Stop the presses!

I hope that Elon can live up to his boast, and I suspect that Jeff does as well. I suspect that what he meant to say is that it won't be closed with fully reusable vehicles in that timeframe (a statement with which I agree). I don't think (as the article implies) that he was saying that Elon won't be able to do it. Only the future will tell.

One other interesting (and concerning) bit of information. Though it wasn't publicly announced there (because it's not really an announcement), based on a reliable source, they still don't know what caused the explosion in Mojave. The implications of that are troubling. I would think that it means that they can't move forward on a nitrous hybrid system, and have confidence that this won't happen again, until they know why it happened the first time. That implies that (assuming they don't come up with an answer in which they have confidence) they will either have to change oxidizers (probably to LOX) or perhaps go to an all-liquid system (something I've long advocated, and speculated they might do).

This could be an opportunity for one of the engine companies (XCOR jumping first to mind), since it's unlikely in the extreme (particularly considering what happened with the hybrid development) that Scaled would try to develop one on its own. That's probably the only way to move forward fast enough for Virgin to start generating revenues in a reasonable amount of time.

Posted by Rand Simberg at September 21, 2007 12:25 PM
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I would guess based solely on public statements that Tai and Rutan will continue to investigate and will come up with an answer and stay with their existing hybrid technology. As much as your suggestion makes sense, the history of the rhetoric out of Virgin Galactic and Scaled Composites is that the solid-gas hybrid rocket is safer than liquid-liquid or liquid-gas which XCOR has been developing. Even if they are only equally safe, I would not expect Tai and Rutan to retract that conclusion by switching. In addition, Scaled Composites had a very different goal from XCOR in how passenger spacecraft qualification, permitting and licensing would occur. I recall Rutan's Congress testimony that the current regime forces his team to become an advocate of the craft's safety which compromises their role of making the craft as safe as possible. The accident may well have reinforced this opinion. XCOR, in turn, spearheaded the arguments in favor of the now-current regime. I think these gaps in regulatory rhetoric and propulsion safety rhetoric may be too big a gap to bridge. I agree that there is a lot these two firms can do for each other.

Posted by Sam Dinkin at September 21, 2007 12:50 PM

Maybe CalOSHA can't figure it out but I have heard some very knowlegeable speculation from people who know a great deal about these types of systems what the two most probable reasons were.

Posted by Dennis Wingo at September 21, 2007 01:35 PM

There's no question that they have a list of two (or more) probably reasons. I think that they'd like to narrow it down to one, though, and really understand what happened.

Posted by Rand Simberg at September 21, 2007 01:50 PM

Jim Benson was largely responsible for Spaceship One's engine, before the divorce. Perhaps Scaled and SpaceDev can make a deal.

Posted by Louise at September 21, 2007 03:43 PM

Jim Benson was largely responsible for Spaceship One's engine

There's a lot of dispute about that. I think that it's very unlikely that Burt would do that.

Posted by Rand Simberg at September 21, 2007 04:39 PM

I would guess based solely on public statements that Tai and Rutan will continue to investigate and will come up with an answer and stay with their existing hybrid technology.

I don't think that anything can be inferred from public statements at this point. We'll see.

Posted by Rand Simberg at September 21, 2007 04:44 PM

Jim Benson was largely responsible for Spaceship One's engine

There's a lot of dispute about that. I think that it's very unlikely that Burt would do that.

Amen on that and I think that Tim Pickens might have something to say about that first statement.

Posted by Dennis Wingo at September 21, 2007 07:21 PM

A SERIOUS EPISODE OF CENSORSHIP !!!

please read my comment here:

http://www.hobbyspace.com/nucleus/index.php?itemid=4583#c

Posted by gaetano marano at September 22, 2007 04:45 PM

Don't think so on the censorship. I responded to the post at Hobbyspace.

Posted by Tom at September 23, 2007 05:16 AM


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