I wonder how many of these “problems” will go away when certain people start getting certain contributions.
Well, I know Elon’s been donating to various congresscritters for some time, but I don’t know about the suborbital guys. Still, that hasn’t really swayed Shelby, has it?
I suppose gravity is still a bigger problem
I’m sure Rand has emphasized this before, but the article mentions the serious issue that after getting an FAA commercial certification, no significant changes can be made to the flight vehicle, stopping further incremental improvements. Once VG crosses that threshold they’ll have to stay committed to whichever iteration of hybrid engine they’ve certified, even if subsequent testing reveals issues and solutions.
I don’t think FAA AST has a process to “Certify” space flight, they just want to see
proof it doesn’t harm 3rd parties.
Yawn.. it just doubles the amount of paperwork they have to do. So what?
This is minor issue compared to the FAA trying to standardize “safety” for the entire industry, before it is even born.
While waiting for my library online reservation I just read a hit piece in the Saturday Evening Post on the cruise industry about how they fly foreign flags to get around the marxist thought [as expressed by the author of the article] here in america.
Once space realizes its commercial potential (partly with the settlement charter and the land rush that ensues) tiny little countries on the equator will find lots of launch facilities being built (and the oceans.)
The cruise ship article implied workers were being exploited at 50 cents an hour for 12 hour shifts but they don’t mention they can quit at any time (the article refers to this as jumping ship as if they were in leg irons) never mentioning these low wage workers worked for tips at a much greater hourly rate than what we would normally consider a good paying job.
The same mindset will make NASA and Congress irrelevant. Another reason why not colonizing mars now is immoral. Wealth is waiting. Once we start people will realize that spending billions for nothing is a lie. A smart operator could own mars right now (this decade) for less than a billion leaving everyone else wondering “why didn’t I think of that!”
Wealth is waiting, but not entirely for the company that makes it possible. They have to understand that making those 200,000 waiting for four slots with Mars One all become independent uncontrolled millionaires the moment they land on mars (by the right contractual arrangement) is the key to the wealth of the transporting companies.
Elon would like to charge half a million to leave thousands destitute on mars. He doesn’t get it (although without him getting it could never happen.)
I’ve been waiting for Rand and others here to crush my ideas. I promise I can handle it. However you imagine space being done, it will not be the marxist federation of star trek… There’s just too much elbow room for that to ever happen.
The mars one guy can’t imagine private property on mars. It will not matter either. If he’s successful the martians will pursue their own ideas.
The wealth that is waiting is not just for the few. The entire earth will benefit. Like Obama taking credit for fracking, once we get going the whole world will have its ‘leaders’ jumping to the front of the parade to tell us it was their idea all along. I’m all for making them jump.
The one hitch is that Exporting Launch vehicle technology is subject to ITARS, and
trust me, it’s not so easy.
Fortunately, only Americans can build rockets.
That’s somewhat true right now–no-one outside America seems capable of competing with SpaceX for a while–but if the FAA cripples the US space tourism business, we’ll just end up flying on Chinese rockets in twenty years instead.
“Fortunately, only Americans can build rockets.”
I’m not sure if you are being sarcastic, or uninformed.
The Europeans have the Ariane 5 and have proven out the ATV design, a re-do
and add some seats, it could easily carry passengers.
The russians have been selling passenger seats on Soyuz for a decade.
I’m not sure why you think a tourist market won’t occur in other countries.
I thought the sarcasm was obvious; ITAR doesn’t stop foreigners building rockets, it just encourages them to develop the technology themselves, rather than buying it from Americans.
I forgot the left don’t get humour.
How many tourists have enough money to buy an Ariane launch? A reusable Falcon could potentially offer tickets to space for million or two dollars, which is probably affordable by the best part of a million people around the planet. Ariane is only affordable by a few billionaires.
I’ve been waiting for Rand and others here to crush my ideas.
Why not take your ideas on the road? Say, a submission to the Space Review or a call to an open lines Space Show podcast? Or a presentation to the Mars Society?
The Isle of Man has already positioned itself in that regard for space commerce. The key is to avoid using any U.S. tech so ITAR doesn’t trip you up.
Why not take your ideas on the road?
I will once I’ve published a pamphlet that presents the idea correctly. I’ve been through this once before 40 years ago… They eventually called it the internet. I’m already on the road… just need to find the venues.
I knew it! You are really Al Gore in disguise 🙂
I was trying to be pithy. What I should say is I was talking about massively multiplayer games (much more advanced than anything I’ve seen to date) in the mid 70s over some kind of interconnected network (call it an internet?) more capable than the BBS systems of the time. The best I could do then was multiuser on timeshared systems which was quite limiting… especially if your I/O device was a teletype over a 300 baud acoustic modem.
You can imagine the looks I got describing this to people in the days of the rock opera hair and disco?
I’m fatter. I’ve come up with the title and cover art for my pamphlet. It will be a perspective I haven’t used before (but still a broken record on subject.)
Last year I paid all the debt I plan to. This year I save. Next year I will be able to afford other projects.
From my perspective I see a lot of crackpot plans for going to mars. I intend to show why mine is not in a more convincing manner than I have so far.
I wonder how many of these “problems” will go away when certain people start getting certain contributions.
Well, I know Elon’s been donating to various congresscritters for some time, but I don’t know about the suborbital guys. Still, that hasn’t really swayed Shelby, has it?
I suppose gravity is still a bigger problem
I’m sure Rand has emphasized this before, but the article mentions the serious issue that after getting an FAA commercial certification, no significant changes can be made to the flight vehicle, stopping further incremental improvements. Once VG crosses that threshold they’ll have to stay committed to whichever iteration of hybrid engine they’ve certified, even if subsequent testing reveals issues and solutions.
I don’t think FAA AST has a process to “Certify” space flight, they just want to see
proof it doesn’t harm 3rd parties.
Yawn.. it just doubles the amount of paperwork they have to do. So what?
This is minor issue compared to the FAA trying to standardize “safety” for the entire industry, before it is even born.
While waiting for my library online reservation I just read a hit piece in the Saturday Evening Post on the cruise industry about how they fly foreign flags to get around the marxist thought [as expressed by the author of the article] here in america.
Once space realizes its commercial potential (partly with the settlement charter and the land rush that ensues) tiny little countries on the equator will find lots of launch facilities being built (and the oceans.)
The cruise ship article implied workers were being exploited at 50 cents an hour for 12 hour shifts but they don’t mention they can quit at any time (the article refers to this as jumping ship as if they were in leg irons) never mentioning these low wage workers worked for tips at a much greater hourly rate than what we would normally consider a good paying job.
The same mindset will make NASA and Congress irrelevant. Another reason why not colonizing mars now is immoral. Wealth is waiting. Once we start people will realize that spending billions for nothing is a lie. A smart operator could own mars right now (this decade) for less than a billion leaving everyone else wondering “why didn’t I think of that!”
Wealth is waiting, but not entirely for the company that makes it possible. They have to understand that making those 200,000 waiting for four slots with Mars One all become independent uncontrolled millionaires the moment they land on mars (by the right contractual arrangement) is the key to the wealth of the transporting companies.
Elon would like to charge half a million to leave thousands destitute on mars. He doesn’t get it (although without him getting it could never happen.)
I’ve been waiting for Rand and others here to crush my ideas. I promise I can handle it. However you imagine space being done, it will not be the marxist federation of star trek… There’s just too much elbow room for that to ever happen.
The mars one guy can’t imagine private property on mars. It will not matter either. If he’s successful the martians will pursue their own ideas.
The wealth that is waiting is not just for the few. The entire earth will benefit. Like Obama taking credit for fracking, once we get going the whole world will have its ‘leaders’ jumping to the front of the parade to tell us it was their idea all along. I’m all for making them jump.
The one hitch is that Exporting Launch vehicle technology is subject to ITARS, and
trust me, it’s not so easy.
Fortunately, only Americans can build rockets.
That’s somewhat true right now–no-one outside America seems capable of competing with SpaceX for a while–but if the FAA cripples the US space tourism business, we’ll just end up flying on Chinese rockets in twenty years instead.
“Fortunately, only Americans can build rockets.”
I’m not sure if you are being sarcastic, or uninformed.
The Europeans have the Ariane 5 and have proven out the ATV design, a re-do
and add some seats, it could easily carry passengers.
The russians have been selling passenger seats on Soyuz for a decade.
I’m not sure why you think a tourist market won’t occur in other countries.
I thought the sarcasm was obvious; ITAR doesn’t stop foreigners building rockets, it just encourages them to develop the technology themselves, rather than buying it from Americans.
I forgot the left don’t get humour.
How many tourists have enough money to buy an Ariane launch? A reusable Falcon could potentially offer tickets to space for million or two dollars, which is probably affordable by the best part of a million people around the planet. Ariane is only affordable by a few billionaires.
I’ve been waiting for Rand and others here to crush my ideas.
Why not take your ideas on the road? Say, a submission to the Space Review or a call to an open lines Space Show podcast? Or a presentation to the Mars Society?
The Isle of Man has already positioned itself in that regard for space commerce. The key is to avoid using any U.S. tech so ITAR doesn’t trip you up.
Why not take your ideas on the road?
I will once I’ve published a pamphlet that presents the idea correctly. I’ve been through this once before 40 years ago… They eventually called it the internet. I’m already on the road… just need to find the venues.
I knew it! You are really Al Gore in disguise 🙂
I was trying to be pithy. What I should say is I was talking about massively multiplayer games (much more advanced than anything I’ve seen to date) in the mid 70s over some kind of interconnected network (call it an internet?) more capable than the BBS systems of the time. The best I could do then was multiuser on timeshared systems which was quite limiting… especially if your I/O device was a teletype over a 300 baud acoustic modem.
You can imagine the looks I got describing this to people in the days of the rock opera hair and disco?
I’m fatter. I’ve come up with the title and cover art for my pamphlet. It will be a perspective I haven’t used before (but still a broken record on subject.)
Last year I paid all the debt I plan to. This year I save. Next year I will be able to afford other projects.
From my perspective I see a lot of crackpot plans for going to mars. I intend to show why mine is not in a more convincing manner than I have so far.