We have an overpopulation problem now. And even at the fastest, we aren’t likely to see peak human for another 25 years. How about we wait a while until the baby bust becomes an actual problem rather than a net benefit?
This seems a lot like climate change in both the time frame and the insistence on acting now to undermine something that’s finally starting to improve. Let’s give the future a chance to solve some of the problems we have now.
I see the population problem as political. Immigration brings in new cultures and takes over the original culture and votes in its moralities and rules. Islam is replacing the British Western culture now. Not for the better, IMO.
The US is next. Only Minnesota and Utah have positive birth rate. Feminists degrade motherhood as slavery. Women fear loss of the ability to have unrestricted abortions. We will be voted out of our own country as the British have already.
I see the population problem as political. Immigration brings in new cultures and takes over the original culture and votes in its moralities and rules. Islam is replacing the British Western culture now. Not for the better, IMO.
The US is next. Only Minnesota and Utah have positive birth rate. Feminists degrade motherhood as slavery. Women fear loss of the ability to have unrestricted abortions. We will be voted out of our own country as the British have already.
The second paragraph talks about problems that have nothing to do with immigration. Sure, they are in large part ideological which is political of course, but there’s more going on than that. Note that these are more or less urban ideology rather than rural. One of the consequences of more people is that you end up with a higher percentage of them being urban and embracing urban-facing ideologies.
My take is that increasing population will eventually marginalize completely rural beliefs and problems. That would be overpopulation even from a strictly political viewpoint, right?
The birth rate is the other side of the immigration coin. There is no overpopulation problem. What is going on is demographic replacement. It also brings conflict and chaos to the indigenous culture. Excellent process for instigating revolution.
Have you noticed the crisis in Social Security funding? That’s happening because of the population bust.
(Yes, I know, it’s a pyramid scheme. But it’s one that would be sustainable indefinitely without the bust.)
I disagree that we are overpopulated now.
(Yes, I know, it’s a pyramid scheme. But it’s one that would be sustainable indefinitely without the bust.)
Until what can’t continue, doesn’t.
As an aside, a common criticism of capitalism is its supposed dependence on indefinite exponential growth, but here we see what really depends on that.
Large-scale robotics can go a long way towards solving that problem. Not only can care-giving robots free up
workers into other areas productive in the economy but the robotic labor throughout the supply chain can reduce costs and so it won’t take so much of the economy to support retirees.
“How about we wait a while …”
I agree, but then, as you now, the ‘crisis’ grifters can’t grift, the politicians can’t interfere with $B of taxpayers’ money into the pockets of their favorite none-profits to ‘help’ those most impacted by the crisis.
If you combine the AI assist with The Final Frontier you end up with Asimov’s Spacers. The robots do the heavy lifting but the people living in Space become enochlophobic. Not likely to be heavy breeders either.
We could look to the Founding Fathers and what they had to do to entice men to show up to militia training, throw a kegger.
Demographic change is only a kegger away.
In the near-term, per-seat and per-kg prices will be high for private off-Earth settlers. This necessarily will skew settler demographics strongly towards those who have lived long enough to have been able to save up enough to money to go and stay. Likewise, the additional costs involved with transporting children and the less than favorable circumstances for young people at early settlements mean that the people who go will generally want to be free from childbearing responsibilities. Again, a strong pressure towards people whose children have flown the coup means that settler populations will be dominated by those who are done with having children. That’s not to mention the unknown (but likely in my medical opinion) health consequences of children gestating and growing up in hypogravity environments. Even Elon limits the Mars population to being about 1 out of 9,000 of humanity’s population on Mars by 2050. So I don’t see space as being much of a solution for the depopulation problem. Robotics yes but space no.
I presented on this topic at a Mars Society Conference a few years back: DevelopSpace.info/retirement
I imagined it as a significant number of people taking extended time away from their families in exchange for making their families’ lives better back home.
No tax on Martian remittances.
Some folks like Ray kurzwell think we will reach actuarial escape velocity by 2030’s. Combine that with Musk’s Tesla Optima bots there is some reasonable cause for optimism
Or stop penalizing responsible people and subsidizing irresponsible ones.
We have an overpopulation problem now. And even at the fastest, we aren’t likely to see peak human for another 25 years. How about we wait a while until the baby bust becomes an actual problem rather than a net benefit?
This seems a lot like climate change in both the time frame and the insistence on acting now to undermine something that’s finally starting to improve. Let’s give the future a chance to solve some of the problems we have now.
I see the population problem as political. Immigration brings in new cultures and takes over the original culture and votes in its moralities and rules. Islam is replacing the British Western culture now. Not for the better, IMO.
The US is next. Only Minnesota and Utah have positive birth rate. Feminists degrade motherhood as slavery. Women fear loss of the ability to have unrestricted abortions. We will be voted out of our own country as the British have already.
I see the population problem as political. Immigration brings in new cultures and takes over the original culture and votes in its moralities and rules. Islam is replacing the British Western culture now. Not for the better, IMO.
The US is next. Only Minnesota and Utah have positive birth rate. Feminists degrade motherhood as slavery. Women fear loss of the ability to have unrestricted abortions. We will be voted out of our own country as the British have already.
The second paragraph talks about problems that have nothing to do with immigration. Sure, they are in large part ideological which is political of course, but there’s more going on than that. Note that these are more or less urban ideology rather than rural. One of the consequences of more people is that you end up with a higher percentage of them being urban and embracing urban-facing ideologies.
My take is that increasing population will eventually marginalize completely rural beliefs and problems. That would be overpopulation even from a strictly political viewpoint, right?
The birth rate is the other side of the immigration coin. There is no overpopulation problem. What is going on is demographic replacement. It also brings conflict and chaos to the indigenous culture. Excellent process for instigating revolution.
Have you noticed the crisis in Social Security funding? That’s happening because of the population bust.
(Yes, I know, it’s a pyramid scheme. But it’s one that would be sustainable indefinitely without the bust.)
I disagree that we are overpopulated now.
(Yes, I know, it’s a pyramid scheme. But it’s one that would be sustainable indefinitely without the bust.)
Until what can’t continue, doesn’t.
As an aside, a common criticism of capitalism is its supposed dependence on indefinite exponential growth, but here we see what really depends on that.
Large-scale robotics can go a long way towards solving that problem. Not only can care-giving robots free up
workers into other areas productive in the economy but the robotic labor throughout the supply chain can reduce costs and so it won’t take so much of the economy to support retirees.
“How about we wait a while …”
I agree, but then, as you now, the ‘crisis’ grifters can’t grift, the politicians can’t interfere with $B of taxpayers’ money into the pockets of their favorite none-profits to ‘help’ those most impacted by the crisis.
If you combine the AI assist with The Final Frontier you end up with Asimov’s Spacers. The robots do the heavy lifting but the people living in Space become enochlophobic. Not likely to be heavy breeders either.
We could look to the Founding Fathers and what they had to do to entice men to show up to militia training, throw a kegger.
Demographic change is only a kegger away.
In the near-term, per-seat and per-kg prices will be high for private off-Earth settlers. This necessarily will skew settler demographics strongly towards those who have lived long enough to have been able to save up enough to money to go and stay. Likewise, the additional costs involved with transporting children and the less than favorable circumstances for young people at early settlements mean that the people who go will generally want to be free from childbearing responsibilities. Again, a strong pressure towards people whose children have flown the coup means that settler populations will be dominated by those who are done with having children. That’s not to mention the unknown (but likely in my medical opinion) health consequences of children gestating and growing up in hypogravity environments. Even Elon limits the Mars population to being about 1 out of 9,000 of humanity’s population on Mars by 2050. So I don’t see space as being much of a solution for the depopulation problem. Robotics yes but space no.
I presented on this topic at a Mars Society Conference a few years back: DevelopSpace.info/retirement
I imagined it as a significant number of people taking extended time away from their families in exchange for making their families’ lives better back home.
No tax on Martian remittances.
Some folks like Ray kurzwell think we will reach actuarial escape velocity by 2030’s. Combine that with Musk’s Tesla Optima bots there is some reasonable cause for optimism