What is it with these gay marriage opponents?
And yes, let’s destroy Carrie Prejean for agreeing with the president.
I wonder if she agrees with the president that this officer should have been fired for being gay?
[Saturday-morning update]
why aren’t leftists upset at Obama for holding the same beliefs on gay marriage as Carrie Prejean? [h/t Instapundit]
Easy, they assume that he is lying. They think his Christianity based justification for opposing actual marriage for gays is simply a lie to fool the rubes on a hot-button issue. They know he might have lost critical support from left-of-center religious conservatives if he had really stated his true beliefs on the matter, so he just lied about his real beliefs to bamboozle the rubes.
Their comfort with this assumption that Obama is lying reveals a lot about contemporary leftists’ mores and their systematic contempt for their fellow citizens. They’re so full of themselves that they believe that the important thing is for them to have power, and that it really doesn’t matter how they get it. If Obama has to lie about his real beliefs about gay marriage then that’s acceptable in the cause of the greater good.
Have to break eggs to make the omelette.
I’ve come to disagree with the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, chiefly because times have changed since my days in the service.
Having said that, the whole “ignoring the law by issuing an executive order” (which would be required to not fire Choi) is a bad precident.
The President is supposed to “faithfully execute” the laws of the United States.
Obama’s on the record opposing gay marriage, like every other major candidate in 2008, but he opposed the gay marriage repeal in California, and opposes DOMA, so he clearly doesn’t mind states legalizing gay marriage on their own timetables. He’d just rather not alienate the parts of his base (e.g. socially conservative black voters) who oppose gay marriage.
Obama should be criticized for not pushing to end Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. His term is young, and he’s had bigger fish to fry, but if there hasn’t been any action by year’s end he could lose his status as the most gay-friendly president we’ve had.
Jim: Doesn’t it make more sense to blame the Democrat majority Congress for that?
The only thing Obama can do on that is ask Congress real nice to do it, since it’s part of the US Code, and isn’t going away without Congress making it.
If Congress doesn’t have the intestinal fortitude to draft up a bill all by itself, I don’t think that the President making mouth-sounds at them is going to be sufficient cover.
“he’s had bigger fish to fry”
Unfortunately, those fish are still snapping back. He’d probably do just as well spending his time on some fluff policy stuff for a while. Like oh, I don’t know, copying John McCain’s stance on immigration.
Mr Simberg,
What is your position on Gay Marriage.?
Are you for it or against it?
What is your position on Gay Marriage.?
I think that marriage is a matter for the churches, not the state.
You moron.
Rand seems to take exception to a beauty pageant contestant getting more flack for her opposition to gay marriage than the president gets. I’d say the difference is primarily due to the clumsy way the beauty queen expressed it — she sounded ignorant and possibly bigoted.
A pageant contestant’s goal in answering these “controversy” questions is to sound like she knows something about the world, and has socially acceptable views (peace, love and children are good, violence, disease and death are bad), without offending anyone in the audience. Ms. Prejean failed in her task. Obama, by contrast, has managed to express his opposition to gay marriage in a way that leaves gay activists with little doubt that he isn’t a homophobe, and that in fact he’s as friendly to their cause as anyone likely to occupy the Oval Office.
Obama, by contrast, has managed to express his opposition to gay marriage in a way that leaves gay activists with little doubt that he isn’t a homophobe, and that in fact he’s as friendly to their cause as anyone likely to occupy the Oval Office.
They believe Obama is an unprincipled liar? Perhaps they need to revisit the vote breakdown in California in regards to Obama and Prop 8.
I think most people do by now, they’re just afraid to say so.
“I think that marriage is a matter for the churches”
So what were your postings when California was running Proposition 8, when Bush was running against Gay Marriage
and the GOP in the 1990’s was gay-bashing on this issue?
she sounded ignorant and possibly bigoted.
Only to bigots.
So what were your postings when California was running Proposition 8, when Bush was running against Gay Marriage and the GOP in the 1990’s was gay-bashing on this issue?
On what planet did that occur? Not to mention that I wasn’t blogging in the 1990s, you moron.
They believe Obama is an unprincipled liar?
When has he lied about gay marriage?
“On what planet did that occur? Not to mention that I wasn’t blogging in the 1990s,”
Ussenet?
and Prop 8 was last year.
I’m always amused at morons who complain because I don’t write about what they think I should write about.
Jack, once again you’re falling into a demanding tone with your questions. If you pulled this kind of crap in my living room you’d be ejected without warning.
I think you ought to be more respectful of Rand’s tolerance, since you’re its beneficiary.
Senator Obama:
“I do not support gay marriage. Marriage has religious and social connotations, and I consider marriage to be between a man and a woman. If I was President, however, I would oppose any effort to stifle a state’s ability to decide this question on its own.”
Carrie Prejean:
“I think it’s great that Americans are able to choose one or the other. We live in a land that you can choose same-sex marriage or oppose marriage and, you know what, in my country and my family I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman.”
Jim:
She’s a bigot. “Obama, by contrast, has managed to express his opposition to gay marriage in a way that leaves gay activists with little doubt that he isn’t a homophobe, and that in fact he’s as friendly to their cause as anyone likely to occupy the Oval Office.”
Me:
Obama says he doesn’t support gay marriage, but thinks it is great we have a right to choose. Prejean says she doesn’t support gay marriage, but thinks it is great we have a right to choose. If Prejean is a bigot and homophobe, and Obama is not, then it must be because Obama doesn’t really believe what he wrote and is lying to win an election.
Senator Obama:
“I do not support gay marriage. Marriage has religious and social connotations, and I consider marriage to be between a man and a woman. If I was President, however, I would oppose any effort to stifle a state’s ability to decide this question on its own.”
Rand Simberg:
“I think that marriage is a matter for the churches, not the state.”
Sounds like Rand and Obama share the same opinion.
Sounds like Rand and Obama share the same opinion.
Only to someone who has trouble comprehending written English.
Rand, you have to admit the “not” works as a logical expression. Jack has never shown the ability to understand logic.
Leland:
I didn’t say Prejean was a bigot, but that she came across as ignorant and possibly a bigot. Obama’s statement is clear about his personal views, and how they inform his policy decisions. Prejean’s is a mess. Take a look:
“I think it’s great that Americans are able to choose one or the other.”
This sentence implies that Americans can and should have the option to marry someone of the same or different gender.
“We live in a land that you can choose same-sex marriage or oppose marriage…”
Here she repeats the (erroneous) notion that same-sex marriage is legal throughout the U.S., and then bizarrely suggests that the alternative to marrying someone of the same sex is to oppose marriage.
“… and, you know what, in my country and my family I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman.”
She thinks that she believes marriage should be between a man and a woman. It isn’t clear whether this means that same-sex marriage shouldn’t be an option, or just that she personally wouldn’t marry a woman, or what. The “in my country and my family” modifier is an appeal to good things (she might have thrown in motherhood and apple pie) that doesn’t make any sense in this context.
“‘Sounds like Rand and Obama share the same opinion.’
Only to someone who has trouble comprehending written English.”
So please explain how your opinion is different from Obamas on Gay Marriage.