Dr. Dittmar is published in a variety of fields and is the author of The Market Study for Space Exploration, a groundbreaking demographic analysis of American attitudes toward NASA and human spaceflight.
I looked at the executive summary for that study, which can be found on her website:
This “market study” does not identify (or even attempt to identify) a single customer for space exploration, other than NASA itself.
In fact, it’s not a market study of space exploration at all.
It’s a *marketing* study of how NASA should try to sell the Bush Vision of Space Exploration to the public — and a pretty lame one at that. Another public-opinion poll with the same old questions. GIGO. Well, we know how that turned out.
Looks like this is an attempt to resurrect the BVSE.
This is surprising: “While 65% of participants responded positively to the missions described in the VSE up through return to the Moon, only 18% of Americans support the plan to send humans to Mars.”
I had thought BTDT was a more typical attitude for return to the moon.
I agree with Rand that the committee should include businessmen. But Spudis has been arguing for years that economic gain should be a goal of space exploration.The original BVSE could further the goal of making human spaceflight a profitable enterprise.
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Ed, went thru a couple of pages linked to Marcia Smith’s posting on this study and haven’t found that quote or the “link below.” Where are they both?
Thanks.
(apologies if I’m not seeing it because I’m to tired right now.)
Sorry, Ken. I know it’s heresy to criticize anything Elon does, but the SpaceX website *does* have a lot of problems.
Look at the top-level menus. They have “Updates” and “Media.” So, the latest stuff will be under “Updates,” right? Maybe not. If it’s a press release, it’s under “Media.” So, what’s the difference between an update and a press release? How do I know which place to look for the info I want, unless I already know where it is?
Then there are photos and videos, which you would expect to find under “Media.” But they aren’t.
I’ve never seen those things as a problem. All menuing systems have the category cross over problem. That’s intrinsic and the only way to design it away is to have links to the same category under multiple branches.
As for flash, has the industry ever been able to come to a single standard? HTML5 is just promise at this point.
No, not all websites have the problem. If you take a class on website design, one of the first things they teach is to organize information by content, not form.
It’s not about websites. It is inherent in any menuing system. The only way to avoid it is to not offer any choice that is conflicting which is not really possible in most cases.
Elon has plenty that could be criticised. “Communication and openness” are not on that list I think. We forgive him his human imperfection because what he is doing is insanely great.
Why aren’t Huntress, Steidle and Chyba on this list? Where’s Buzz Aldrin? Can’t we have a few Nobel Prize winners in physics and chemistry on the list, as qualified but disinterested third parties?
Why aren’t Huntress, Steidle and Chyba on this list?
Craig Steidle was appointed to head the Commercial Spaceflight Federation but resigned shortly afterward for personal reasons (reportedly health related). Why would you expect him to take this job?
Can’t we have a few Nobel Prize winners in physics and chemistry on the list, as qualified but disinterested third parties?
How does a Nobel Prize in physics or chemistry qualify someone for a study of human spaceflight? There’s no reason to expect a physicist of chemist has any special knowledge of either humans or spacecraft. (A prize winner in Medicine and Physiology might be a better choice, but an experienced flight surgeon would be better still.)
You know who’s not on this list? A single businessman.
I don’t see any married ones, either.
The reason is simple — “space” is not about business (i.e.: colonization), it’s about “science” (i.e.: hegemony). It’s not about putting men into space, it’s all about “returning them safely to Earth.” Earth, bitches!
Hey, at least Bryan O’Connor is on there to make sure it’s a safe study. In fact, they should do a risk reduction phase before starting the study, just to mitigate all of the risks of…of not finding anything out…or something.
Actually, this panel is no different from any other debate societies on earth (like the UN.) All discussing what free people (otherwise known to them as chattel) can and can not do in space which happens to be owned by nobody, meaning not yet claimed.
All ownership starts with a claim. Thereafter, chain of title determines ownership. Grants imply a prior claim. If they prohibit themselves from claiming they are prohibiting themselves from granting.
Its the NRC. Who did you expect would be on it?
Republicans. Who else would the Republian National Convention’s spaceflight committee?
It’s the NRC (National Research Council), not the RNC.
That’s okay, George.
Hey, see you at the next DAM meeting (Mothers Against Dyslexia).
Dr. Dittmar is published in a variety of fields and is the author of The Market Study for Space Exploration, a groundbreaking demographic analysis of American attitudes toward NASA and human spaceflight.
I looked at the executive summary for that study, which can be found on her website:
http://www.dittmar-associates.com/Publications/Selected%20Results%20from%20The%20Market%20Study.pdf
This “market study” does not identify (or even attempt to identify) a single customer for space exploration, other than NASA itself.
In fact, it’s not a market study of space exploration at all.
It’s a *marketing* study of how NASA should try to sell the Bush Vision of Space Exploration to the public — and a pretty lame one at that. Another public-opinion poll with the same old questions. GIGO. Well, we know how that turned out.
Looks like this is an attempt to resurrect the BVSE.
This is surprising: “While 65% of participants responded positively to the missions described in the VSE up through return to the Moon, only 18% of Americans support the plan to send humans to Mars.”
I had thought BTDT was a more typical attitude for return to the moon.
I would be delighted to see some aspects of the BVSE resurrected. As Spudis notes, a lot of the goals were lost along the way:
http://www.spudislunarresources.com/blog/the-vision-for-space-exploration-a-brief-history-part-3/
I agree with Rand that the committee should include businessmen. But Spudis has been arguing for years that economic gain should be a goal of space exploration.The original BVSE could further the goal of making human spaceflight a profitable enterprise.
FYI.
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Please note that the appointments made to this committee are provisional, and changes may be made. No appointment shall be considered final until we have evaluated relevant information bearing on the committee’s composition and balance.
So you saying we need to expand Top Men to include women?
Ed, went thru a couple of pages linked to Marcia Smith’s posting on this study and haven’t found that quote or the “link below.” Where are they both?
Thanks.
(apologies if I’m not seeing it because I’m to tired right now.)
The paragraphs in red, just above the “Feedback” button.
http://www8.nationalacademies.org/cp/CommitteeView.aspx?key=49488
They need a real estate agent.
+1
Arial: “I thought, I don’t know anything! I want to work at NASA!”
Arial: “SpaceX has a really bad website and could be doing much better in terms of communication and openness and engaging people.”
Almost choked on this one, have you seen spacehack.org?
Sorry, Ken. I know it’s heresy to criticize anything Elon does, but the SpaceX website *does* have a lot of problems.
Look at the top-level menus. They have “Updates” and “Media.” So, the latest stuff will be under “Updates,” right? Maybe not. If it’s a press release, it’s under “Media.” So, what’s the difference between an update and a press release? How do I know which place to look for the info I want, unless I already know where it is?
Then there are photos and videos, which you would expect to find under “Media.” But they aren’t.
If that’s not bad enough, they’re using Flash!
I’ve never seen those things as a problem. All menuing systems have the category cross over problem. That’s intrinsic and the only way to design it away is to have links to the same category under multiple branches.
As for flash, has the industry ever been able to come to a single standard? HTML5 is just promise at this point.
No, not all websites have the problem. If you take a class on website design, one of the first things they teach is to organize information by content, not form.
It’s not about websites. It is inherent in any menuing system. The only way to avoid it is to not offer any choice that is conflicting which is not really possible in most cases.
Actually it’s more general than menu systems… any categorizing system.
Elon has plenty that could be criticised. “Communication and openness” are not on that list I think. We forgive him his human imperfection because what he is doing is insanely great.
Why aren’t Huntress, Steidle and Chyba on this list? Where’s Buzz Aldrin? Can’t we have a few Nobel Prize winners in physics and chemistry on the list, as qualified but disinterested third parties?
“Can’t we have a few Nobel Prize winners in physics and chemistry on the list, as qualified but disinterested third parties?”
Personally, I don’t consider those people as disinterested third parties. They have their research grant axes to grind as well.
Why aren’t Huntress, Steidle and Chyba on this list?
Craig Steidle was appointed to head the Commercial Spaceflight Federation but resigned shortly afterward for personal reasons (reportedly health related). Why would you expect him to take this job?
Can’t we have a few Nobel Prize winners in physics and chemistry on the list, as qualified but disinterested third parties?
How does a Nobel Prize in physics or chemistry qualify someone for a study of human spaceflight? There’s no reason to expect a physicist of chemist has any special knowledge of either humans or spacecraft. (A prize winner in Medicine and Physiology might be a better choice, but an experienced flight surgeon would be better still.)
Why would you expect him to take this job?
If it really was health-related I wouldn’t expect him to.
How does a Nobel Prize in physics or chemistry qualify someone for a study of human spaceflight?
They wouldn’t fall for the bullshit that people like Pace, Griffin and their cronies use to defend the existing human spaceflight cartel.
They wouldn’t fall for the bullshit that people like Pace, Griffin and their cronies use to defend the existing human spaceflight cartel.
They have for 50 years. Why would you expect that to stop now?
I don’t see any married ones, either.
The reason is simple — “space” is not about business (i.e.: colonization), it’s about “science” (i.e.: hegemony). It’s not about putting men into space, it’s all about “returning them safely to Earth.” Earth, bitches!
So that’s why mars used to have one of the Gabor sisters?
No bidnessmen.
But they took care to add a historian of technology and space flight as well as a pollster.
FYI – SpaceX’s Grasshopper flew again – a longer flight under active control:
http://twitter.yfrog.com/f362mloybjbosdefkdeoytqsz
Hey, at least Bryan O’Connor is on there to make sure it’s a safe study. In fact, they should do a risk reduction phase before starting the study, just to mitigate all of the risks of…of not finding anything out…or something.
Actually, this panel is no different from any other debate societies on earth (like the UN.) All discussing what free people (otherwise known to them as chattel) can and can not do in space which happens to be owned by nobody, meaning not yet claimed.
All ownership starts with a claim. Thereafter, chain of title determines ownership. Grants imply a prior claim. If they prohibit themselves from claiming they are prohibiting themselves from granting.