20 thoughts on “So Much For The Landslide

      1. ken anthony

        It’s not over Jim. Col. Allen West could very well win his recount triggering a recount of FL. There was massive voter fraud in swing states that had many counties over 100% of the vote. Romney conceded, but if enough people show him he won, he could take that back. We have until Dec. 17th.

        Snopes is soooo reliable. Are you saying the military did fully participate? Because that would be a load of bull.

        1. Jim

          Col. Allen West could very well win his recount triggering a recount of FL.

          There will be recounts in a number of Congressional districts. What does that have to do with the presidential race?

          There was massive voter fraud in swing states that had many counties over 100% of the vote.

          Remember a week ago, when Republicans thought that polls were skewed, and the Romney would win by a landslide? At least some of them noticed Tuesday night that they’d lost touch with reality. You’re still in la-la land.

          Romney conceded, but if enough people show him he won, he could take that back.

          Denial is just the first stage of grief. You’ve got a long ways to go.

          Are you saying the military did fully participate?

          I’m saying that problems counting military votes, like problems counting civilian votes, do not explain the election results. They’re just an excuse for people who don’t want to believe that their side lost.

      2. wodun

        The link talks about one article but doesn’t address any of the real problems the military has voting.

        Were the problems.enough to change the outcome? Probably not but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be concerned about real voter disenfranchisement.

        1. Jim

          Civilians have trouble voting too — there were people in FL still in line at 1:30 AM. We should make voting easier for everyone.

          1. wodun

            In WA we vote by mail. It is extremely easy and you can drop your ballot off at many convenient locations.

            It has the massive potential for fraud because it is really easy to get a ballot sent to you and after that no one checks your identity.

            I like our system but wish it would also verify the voter is real and the ballot was filled out by the voter.

            We don’t need another election where on the 3rd recount a box of ballots mysteriously appears in the truck of a car and gets counted and the margin of victory is less than the illegal ballots cast.

  1. Jim

    Kerry was much closer in 2004 (120k votes in OH). A win is a win.

    But when thinking about what might have been, remember all the things that didn’t come to pass. Jews abandoning Obama over Israel? Nope. Disillusioned young people and minorities staying home? Nope. Tea Party-fueled Republican enthusiasm? Nope. African-American and Hispanic backlash over Obama’s endorsement of gay marriage? Nope. Fatal Obama gaffes (“You didn’t build that”, “doing fine”, “revenge”)? Fast and Furious? Benghazi? Nope, nope and nope.

    1. Rand Simberg Post author

      Jews abandoning Obama over Israel? Nope. Disillusioned young people and minorities staying home? Nope. Tea Party-fueled Republican enthusiasm? Nope. African-American and Hispanic backlash over Obama’s endorsement of gay marriage? Nope. Fatal Obama gaffes (“You didn’t build that”, “doing fine”, “revenge”)? Fast and Furious? Benghazi? Nope, nope and nope.

      Actually, all those things did happen, sorry. Obama got millions fewer votes this time than last time because of them. What didn’t happen was Romney increasing the vote over McCain, mostly because he was so pummeled by the ads all summer in the swing states and he never responded.

      1. Bob-1

        Jews didn’t abandon Obama, but moreover, the drop in Jewish support for Obama from 74% to 70% (or 69% depending who is counting) wasn’t over Israel, it was over the economy.
        http://www.jta.org/news/article/2012/11/07/3111381/fighting-over-every-percentile-arguing-about-the-jewish-vote-and-exit-polls

        In any case, Jews, along with Asians, continue to be one of the groups which support Obama and other Democrats the most. I’d like to see the numbers of actual voters – not just the percentages – my guess is that the GOP would be much better off going after Asian-Americans, who, after all, outnumber Jewish-Americans, and, to put it mildly, will continue to!

        1. Curt Thomson

          Well thanks so much for the advice Bob. You’re opponents should focus on racial groups and try to divide them up and convince them they’re getting screwed by that other racial group over there. I understand that has worked out for you, but your advice is really nothing more than evacuating your bowel. I doubt I’m the only one here that wishes you’d choose somewhere else to do it.

        2. Joseph Hertzlinger

          Of course, the Jewish vote is set by Israel. The biggest reason for the lack of Republican Jews is that many right-wing Jews have moved there.

          If an emergency evacuation of Israel is needed, I suspect there will be a “strange new respect” on the left for immigration restrictions.

    2. wodun

      A win is a win but when you sink to playing the races, genders, and classes off against each other by making untrue accusations you have to ask if that is really the best for the country. And now Obama wants the House to work with him after four years of campaigning calling them bigots, racists, mysogynists, and robber barons.

      I am not sure what happened to hope and change or new civility but the era Obama just ushered in is the exact opposite of both of those.

    1. Daveon

      No, but it was more than Bush got in 2004 and I trust that Obama will rule according to the precedent set by George W Bush. Only seems fair.

      1. Rand Simberg Post author

        Unfortunately for your flawed analogy, Bush retained both houses of Congress, until (the late) Arlen Sphincter switched parties (again). Obama owns only the Senate. If the Dems had taken the House, you might have a point.

  2. George Turner

    The day after the election I ran the “how many voters had to vote differently to change the outcome” test that I started with Bush/Gore, which is a way to see how robust the result really is. Thi election wasn’t nearly as close as that one, but Ohio, Virginia and Florida would’ve flipped to Romney with a fairly smal number. If it were a mayoral race in a small town of 900 people (which takes voters per capita into account), Romney would’ve needed to win over only one more voter to win. Basically, it came down to Sue Ellen at the Piggly Wiggly staying loyal to Mayor Obama, or the two check out clerks deciding to go fishing instead.

  3. Daver

    Hmm. A flawed candidate who ran a lousy campaign. Where have I heard that before? The candidates are all going to be flawed in some fashion, and the media will still only point out the flaws on one side and I think it’s going to get harder and harder for a republican to win.

    1. ken anthony

      We knew going in Romney was a flawed candidate. This isn’t some post election realization. However, I believe you are right that republicans need to come to terms with the new reality.

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