70 thoughts on “The Mann Lawsuits”

  1. http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=4970
    US coal production is stagnating, and with Electricity production
    from central coal fired stations shrinking, this sector is being
    abandoned by the market.

    I suspect this year we see the knee of the curve and over the next 4 years we see more
    coal stations getting abandoned and production declining.

    It won’t be Mann doing it, it will be the market.

    1. As a newly-minted far-Left Progressive, I applaud your using “the market” against the capitalist running dogs, dn-guy! Way to go. Good thing they don’t know that fracking has made clean, abundant natural gas far more attractive than coal, and that we will shut down fracking right about the time all of the power plants are converted away from coal! Then we can keep our boot on the neck of the surviving peasants, and steer them into a glorious future where man no longer is a cancer on the planet, and everyone is equal!

      I promise I won’t tell anyone…

    2. Gee, I wonder why? Could it be draconian EPA regulations? Thanks for the higher electricity costs, DN!!!!

      We all love you outside the beltway.

      1. Do you have a source for higher electricity costs?
        Do you have any idea why electricity costs might be rising?

        Have you ever considered that the easy fossil fuels to get are
        mostly depleted and that having to haul coal from South Dakota to the coast
        or that drilling for oil in 5,000 feet of water is more expensive then
        drilling in texas?

        1. I’m talking about the coal plants that are being shut down. You wouldn’t notice because you live in Rome.

          1. Yes, coal plants are being shut down.

            But why are they being shut down?

            Nuclear plants are also getting shutdown.

            The reasons are mostly economic.

            The costs of a coal plant or a nuclear plant exceed that of wind power.

            Welcome to the market at work.

          2. “But why are they being shut down?”

            Obama.

            “The reasons are mostly economic.”

            No, the reason for why coal plants are being shut down is a President who’s ideology demands that he destroy the industry and has instructed his EPA to do just that.

            “The costs of a coal plant or a nuclear plant exceed that of wind power.”

            Yes, they are more expensive to build and produce more electricity on a smaller parcel of land. Obama has seen to it that operating these plants are becoming more expensive by increasing regulations designed to destroy the industry. Regulations that couldn’t get through congress btw.

            Are you really trying to say that we can produce more electricity and for less money with wind and solar? Are you just trolling or do you actually believe that?

          3. Yes, coal plants are being shut down.

            But why are they being shut down?

            Obama has increased the CAPEX and OPEX of coal. Of course, those are concepts a moron cannot comprehend.

          4. “‘“The costs of a coal plant or a nuclear plant exceed that of wind power.”’

            Yes, they are more expensive to build and produce more electricity on a smaller parcel of land. Obama has seen to it that operating these plants are becoming more expensive by increasing regulations designed to destroy the industry. Regulations that couldn’t get through congress btw.”

            So why are coal plants worldwide shutting down while renewable energy
            is continuing to grow?

            Is Obama able to control Europe, China, Africa?
            http://www.ren21.net/Portals/0/documents/Resources/GSR/2014/GSR2014_Release_English_long_website.pdf

            95 countries are rapidly growing their green energy capacity.

          5. “Obama has increased the CAPEX and OPEX of coal.”

            Are you including in that OPEX things like Arch coal polluting
            the water supply to charleston WV? Granted a bunch of hillbillies
            unable to shower or flush toilets probably isnt’ a vast change
            to them, but the economic costs have been pretty high.

            Should that be included in the OPEX?

            When Duke Energy spills 30,000 tons of coal ash into the Dan River, should
            they be required to clean that up?

            When a coal mine is violating safety regulations, that is crippling the workers,
            should that be considered part of the OPEX?

          6. Environmental remediation is always included in OPEX, unless you are a windfarm, and then the President doesn’t care what you do to the environment. DN’s high horse looks a little short.

            By the way, DN brings up something about smaller parcel of land, yet never delivers what he means by it. The funny thing is windfarms require vast tracts of land to operate. That is why operators want to build them offshore, but offshore windfarms are an order of magnitude more expensive, mostly because of environmental costs, both natural and regulatory.

            Alas, wind is attractive, and I use it. But I also understand that the cost of coal is artificially inflated intentionally by the President and that will cost Reid the Senate. And apparently DN is right about one thing, Obama can’t control China, India, and Europe:
            China & India Are Building 4 New Coal Power Plants – Every Week
            Germany to Add Most Coal-Fired Plants in Two Decades, IWR Says

          7. China is also investing heavily in renewables.

            “By 2020, the Chinese government hopes to double wind-power capacity. Solar energy is supposed to grow at an even faster rate. Just last year, China invested $56 billion in renewable energy — more than all of Europe, according to a United Nations report.

            China’s five-year plan also calls for building hundreds of new coal power plants.

            This creates huge challenges in trying to fashion a grid flexible enough to handle all these power sources.

            Big coal plants can’t easily be cranked up and down to accommodate erratic swings in energy produced from the wind and sun. In Inner Mongolia, many of the new coal plants also provide vital steam heat to towns and cities during the bitter winter months, making it even more difficult to reduce their operations to free up space for renewables.

            China is investing hundreds of billions of dollars to expand and upgrade the grid that brings power from remote areas to the major population centers.

            The government also has called for easing the strains on the long-distance power grid by building more renewable-energy projects close to big cities.”

      2. “draconian EPA regulations?”

        Interesting. I read in the papers that in Charleston WV, they had to be tanking water in
        for 3 months because a coal company supplier spilled MCHM in the river.

        Do you think that this is the sort of thing that should be regulated?

        1. “Do you think that this is the sort of thing that should be regulated?”

          It is regulated. There is a difference between holding companies accountable and using regulations to intentionally destroy an industry on ideological grounds.

          It is hard for me to take Democrats seriously when they wont do anything about Apple using child labor. Somehow Democrat’s favored companies and industries always seem to have a get out of jail free card.

          1. “It is regulated. There is a difference between holding companies accountable and using regulations to intentionally destroy an industry on ideological grounds.”

            Really? Freedom Industries declared bankruptcy 24 hours after poisoning
            the water supply of Charleston. How is that holding the company accountable?

            Billions of dollars in economic losses who is accountable for that?

          2. Are you saying it is legal to dump industrial waste into rivers? You sound kind of like Obama claiming that the health insurance industry wasn’t regulated and that no one could buy health insurance before Obamacare.

    3. It’s not a market phenomenon, but a War on Coal! Well, Time calls it a War on Coal, but to me it looks more like a War on the Middle Class, making life more expensive and creating more poverty, more inequality. After all, Obama did say energy costs would necessarily go up during his administration. I doubt rising energy costs or carbon emissions will prevent the rich from flying to Davos in January.

      1. From Time:
        “In fact, after a huge boost from the Obama stimulus bill, wind and solar plants are getting cheap, too, and they’re increasingly viable replacements for coal, providing 95 percent of the new capacity added in the first quarter of 2014. An Oklahoma utility that is shutting down three coal plants recently requested bids for 200 megawatts of wind power; the bids came in so low that the utility purchased 600 megawatts. In Kentucky, coal-friendly legislators have introduced a bill to end a requirement that utilities purchase the lowest-cost power; rock-bottom prices used to be coal’s trump card, but no more.”

        Coal is dying because it’s a 19th century fuel being rapidly displaced by 21st century technology.
        Whale oil lamps also were displaced by new tech, first kerosene, then light bulbs.

        This is called the market moving.

        1. Coal is dying because it’s a 19th century fuel

          Coal is not dying, it’s taking a breather because your president has openly and actively declared war on it. “If somebody wants to build a coal-fired power plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them”.
          That’s the exact opposite of “moving markets”. I think the knee in question is the one that inadvertently collided with your head.

          1. if you think coal is such a great investment

            No surprise, DN lacks a valid argument, so he reaches for the strawman. Coal isn’t a good investment, because the federal government is intentionally wrecking the market. What would be a cool investment is sending DN guys comments to coal mines in West Virginia, North Carolina, and Virginia.

        2. There’s nothing market related about it. Only you would believe this because you think that centralized bureaucracies running an entire industry is considered a “market”.

          Nothing in your above quote means anything. Low bids are the norm. It is only after a contractor is locked in do they raise the prices. You would know this if you paid attention.

          1. In fact, renewables are becoming so cheap, Germany is abandoning solar power subsidies.

            Berlin “has so far invested 216 billion euros ($278 billion) in renewables and the biggest chunk went to solar, the technology which does least to ensure the power supply,” said the head of industrial group Siemens, Peter Loescher, in an interview published in the business daily Handelsblatt on Monday.

            Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-07-germany-solar-subsidies.html#jCp

          2. “It is only after a contractor is locked in do they raise the prices. ”

            Sounds like Comcast.

          3. “Sounds like Comcast.”

            And Comcast gives lots of money and other perks to Democrats so is it any wonder that Democrats support the merger with Time Warner? Democrats, always out to screw the middle class…

          4. “if you are worried about Bats, you should invest in a bat house.
            We have one.”

            For DN-Guy, everything requires a big government program until the problem is the government, then it’s all do it yourself.

            I would love to have a bald eagle’s nest in my back yard but I lack a lake or river. Environmentalist have declared genocide on these animals in order to satiate their political ideology. We can’t even create more dams because environmentalists think having more lakes is a bad thing.

            Windmills and solar farms destroy habitat while dams are net creators of habitat and not just for animals but people too.

          5. “I would love to have a bald eagle’s nest in my back yard but I lack a lake or river.”

            Get a shovel, and dig one.

        3. An Oklahoma utility that is shutting down three coal plants recently requested bids for 200 megawatts of wind power

          Why is wind power cheap: “The Obama administration said Friday it will allow some companies to kill or injure bald and golden eagles for up to 30 years without penalty, an effort to spur development and investment in green energy while balancing its environmental consequences.

          Ah Obama, letting himself and others violate the law.

          1. “besides buildings and power lines kill a lot more birds then
            wind turbines do.”

            No. Or, at least, that is completely misleading. The species killed by buildings and power lines are plentiful and rapidly reproducing. They are in no danger.

            The birds killed by the eco-crucifixes are rare and slowly reproducing. Dams for the greenest energy of all, hydroelectricity, cannot be built when they presumably threaten worthless snail darters, but you can feed all the majestic, soaring raptors into the hilltop Cuisinarts you like.

          2. And, the bats, crucial for insect control, who have their little lungs exploded when buffeted by the pressure waves from those monstrosities.

          3. “Possibly the greatest indicator that wind turbines are not, in fact, bird-o-matics, is the growing number of endorsements by bird conservation groups. The American Bird Conservancy supports wind power with the caveat that bird-friendly placement and design be primary factors in construction [source: ABC]. The Wisconsin Bird Initiative states that wind turbines have a “low impact” on avian mortality compared to window glass and communication towers [source: WBCI]. And in 2006, the Audubon Society gave its figurative seal of approval to the American Wind Energy Association. The president of the national organization is quoted by Renewable Energy World as stating, “When you look at a wind turbine, you can find the bird carcasses and count them. With a coal-fired power plant, you can’t count the carcasses, but it’s going to kill a lot more birds” [source: REW].”

            Is the audobon society endorsing Coal energy?

          4. They sold their souls. As an avian aficionado, I am appalled at a level which would be difficult to express in words.

        4. Coal is dying because it’s a 19th century fuel being rapidly displaced by 21st century technology.

          Um, Deny Guy — you’re off by 2000 years. Windmills were invented by the Greeks in the first Century.

  2. One of the best yet, particularly the ending. And, I like the fact that “Steiner” is finally close to the spoken dialog!

    1. The rest of us are getting our liberty cut to shreds by your national security state.

      Can I have my Internet privacy back?

      1. Can I have my Internet privacy back?

        Hey, Deny Guy kill two birds with one windmill; just unplug your computer. You’ll use less power and get your internet privacy back.

      2. “by your national security state.”

        If only there was a President who had campaigned on ending all of these things…

        Suddenly, Obama is ours now just like slavery and the KKK.

  3. Sounds like Comcast.

    1) You ignore my point.

    2) Comcast is a big supporter of the Democrats.

    1. If you want to complain about Contract terms, stop dealing with Comcast.

      If you think Comcast is too supportive of the dems, Boycott their products.
      Heck picket their stores. Get all your friends to switch.

      Don’t complain to me.

      1. “If you want to complain about Contract terms, stop dealing with Comcast.”

        Will be harder to do if Comcast becomes more of a monopoly. It is interesting what types of big business Democrats enthusiastically support.

    1. yet Energy prices haven’t Skyrocketed.

      The smoothed price of Gasoline is on par with where it was all through the 2000’s.

      The smoothed price of electricity is up a couple percent.

      Natural gas is cheaper.

  4. Granted a bunch of hillbillies unable to shower or flush toilets probably isnt’ a vast change
    to them, but the economic costs have been pretty high.

    Just keep putting that foot in your mouth, you elitist jerk.

    1. DN is no elitist. Oh, he thinks he is, because he made it through some school that took his money and gave him a paper, and that paper landed him what he thinks is a fancy job in DC. But he’s poor. You can tell by the bitterness of his comments. He’s not as comfortable as he wants to be, and usually that comes from having excessive debts and living beyond one’s means. Which is an interesting situation for someone claiming to be conservative about the environment, because we can see what his lack of conservatism has done with his personal life, and what his impulse desires would do to the country. So to make himself feel mighty, he makes up lies about how the world works and about anyone who actually is living better than him. He probably thinks money was just handed to us, and none of us worked for it, while also believing we are hillbilly redneck racists. See what I mean about bitterness. Rand is right to call him what he is, a moron.

    2. Freedom Industries were the folks who poisoned the water up in WVa.

      Is that the sort of Freedom you are demanding?

    3. I completed High School and grew up in a house with an indoor toilet.

      I make no apologies for that.

        1. That’s not elitist, Jon. The proportion of the population in the USA who both had indoor plumbing and graduated high school is well over 50%.

          Also, don’t get sucked in. dn-guy is actually a hardcore libertarian. He’s doing a parody of leftwing moonbats.

          1. Toothless, ignorant hicks? What year do you think it is? C’mon, dnguy, you gotta pick it up a notch, remember it isn’t funny if it sounds bitter.

        1. Why would we take the trouble, when we can just go to your house?

          You’d hate my place, it’s where the Elite Meet.

          1. That’s hilarious. Like the “elite” who managed the ObamaCare web site? Or predicted that unemployment would drop to 5% if we passed Porkulous? Or who said we could keep our doctors and our plans? Or who traded five Taliban generals for a deserter? And thought we’d be “euphoric” about the deal?

            I’ll stick with hoi polloi, thanks.

          2. Your elitism sarcasm doesn’t work when you have a recent post referring to “toothless, ignorant hicks”. You just look more like an idiot.

          3. He means the elite that claimed that if we only got rid of the Bush tax cuts that all of our economic and societal problems would be solved. Well, that didn’t happen and dn-guy will claim it is because we didn’t raise taxes enough. And when that doesn’t work it will be because we didn’t raise taxes enough. And when that doesn’t work…

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