Any opinion on what Judicial Watch is up to? Looks like they have standing and they have a hearing on July 10th with Judge Emmett Sullivan regarding the lost emails. This judge has a ruputation for not putting up with the BS the House is currently accepting from the IRS. I hate to get my hopes up, something has to finally break through the constant stonewalling from this administration.
So comprehensive it even includes events that didn’t happen:
June 17, 2014: The IRS reports that due to computer crashes, it cannot produce e-mails from six more employees — in addition to Lois Lerner — who were involved in the targeting of conservative groups. Among the lost emails were those sent by Nikole Flax, chief of staff to former IRS commissioner Steven Miller. (Source)
I guess ABC news has a propensity for reporting on events that didn’t happen:
Washington, DC – Today, Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp (R-MI) and Oversight Subcommittee Chairman Charles Boustany Jr., M.D. (R-LA) revealed that the Committee’s early work into “lost” IRS emails show the problem is much bigger than the IRS initially admitted to.
In addition to Lois Lerner’s emails, the IRS cannot produce records from six other IRS employees involved in the targeting of conservative groups. One of those figures is Nikole Flax, who served as Chief of Staff to Steve Miller, who at the time of the targeting was Deputy Commissioner and would later serve as Acting Commissioner of the IRS – a position from which he was fired for his role in the targeting of conservative groups. The timeframe for which Ms. Flax’s communications are purportedly unrecoverable covers when the Washington, DC office wrote and directed the Cincinnati field office to send abusive questionnaires, including inappropriate demands for donor information, to conservative groups.
Camp and Boustany also uncovered that the IRS has been keeping secret for months the fact that the Agency lost these critical records. Ways and Means investigators have confirmed that the Agency first knew of the destroyed emails as early as February 2014 – nearly three months prior to newly installed Commissioner John Koskinen telling the Committee the IRS would produce all of Lois Lerner’s emails.
Yes, the House GOP claimed that Flax’s emails were lost. No, the IRS did not report that. In fact, the director of the IRS stated under oath that “there is no indication that a single Nicole Flax e-mail has been lost.”
The House GOP, upon hearing that Flax had a hard disk crash, jumped to the conclusion that her emails had been lost, and even came up with a timeframe for the imagined lost emails.
The GOP has backpedalled and is now hypothesizing that maybe Flax lost emails in a way that the IRS hadn’t considered, yet more evidence that the claim of lost emails comes from the GOP, not from the IRS.
A Democrat congressman says there are no lost emails, the Republican congressman says there are. We’ll find out for real when complete email records are actuallly turned over to the investigating committee. I wouldn’t place bets on full and complete records being turned over, but we shall see.
The IRS contends that Flax’s emails still exist because she also uses a lap top. But they didn’t specify if all of the emails were on both computers or if each computer stored its own set of emails. Lerner claims she only stored hers on her HD and didn’t say anything about using her PC to back up her emails from other devices. Doesn’t look like either were following the established rules regarding the retention of emails.
Koskinen testified that it was Flax’s travel laptop that had the hard disk crash.
I’ll wager she took that laptop home with her every day and took it with her every time she left her office for meetings. Maybe we should check the White House CCTV and see if she brought it with her to any meetings with Obama.
Why are you even bothering going down this road defending yet another lie about this being some sort of special and rarely used “travel” laptop? Obama is just going to make you look like a stupid hypocrite liar again.
Interesting. The IRS changes its story once again, and you cast that as the GOP backpedaling.
The IRS did not change its story. It told the GOP that there were six other hard drive crashes, and the GOP got ahead of itself, hyping the six crashes as indicating that those six employees lost email for the same period as Lois Lerner. Now the GOP is admitting that they don’t know whether any emails were lost.
“The IRS did not change its story. ”
Oh really? It has been endless story changes from the IRS.
“Now the GOP is admitting that they don’t know whether any emails were lost.”
But you claim none were lost.
What I want to know is if OJ “did it.”
All of the circumstantial and physical evidence was stacked against him just as the IRS deal looks fishy to a everyone apart from yourself who is studying the situation very carefully.
It looked like the LAPD was in full “Hat Squad” mode of seeking to mete out rough justice as you say the Repubs trying to do with Mr. Koskinen and Ms. Lerner. I was inclined to give OJ the benefit of the doubt regarding the history of “how things are done” out on the far Western frontier in L.A., but then he writes that book, a strange confession to murder written in the subjunctive tense.
I guess I was still inclined to believe in the man’s innocence after that “little incident” where guns were brandished in a Las Vegas hotel “trying to get (his) ‘stuff’ back.” It is not just that armed robbery seemed a little bit of overcharging him to get a bereaved father justice for his son. It is that OJ was true to how people know him to be, that this “operation” was conducted not solo, but with a posse of his pals, with a small mob watching his back.
How the murder for which he was acquitted but later found to have committed a tort for wrongful death over a photo of some expensive shoes, how that murder was said to have been conducted rings false to how he seems to go about things. Where were all his buds? You had that infamous slow-speed chase where he was threatening suicide, and that too was circumstantial evidence of his guilt because murderers for relationships gone wrong often take their own lives. But here too, A.C. was driving the car, the man doesn’t seem to do anything without his guys backing him up. That is, unless there was a squad of accomplices before or after the fact that have managed to shut up for 20 years.
Jim, this IRS thing appears to be deeper than ideology, it appears to be personal to you that people are “piling on” based on what they hear about this, admittedly from a kind of “tabloid” media because the real media does not seem to be engaged. I think a lot of us felt that way about the OJ thing for similarly complex reasons. So I can develop a basis of empathy for your concerns about the IRS matter, what say you about OJ?
I thought OJ was guilty.
Yes and note it’s the IRS saying it not GOP.
Jim cannot be bothered to look at the Youtube video where Ryan asks why it took so long for the IRS to admit Flax’s emails were lost in a HD crash and Koskinen’s reply of “Well I told you about it Monday.”
I suppose hearing the IRS Commissioner say it woudl be just too dissonant.
where Ryan asks why it took so long for the IRS to admit Flax’s emails were lost
Ryan did not ask about lost emails, he asked about hard disk crashes. He asked Koskinen:
Monday, our investigators asked your agency whether any other hard drives crashed and we learned that six other hard drives of the people we’re investigating were involved, you didn’t tell us that.
Koskinen replied: We told you on Monday.
Jim, do you realize how dangerous (to you) this IRS scandal is? The IRS is the most hated agency in America, now it is de-legitimizing itself. The militias have recruits and ammo is flying off the shelves.
C’mon people. Let’s not make like ISIS and Quds and let’s keep this on the level of reasoned word.
I do think the GOP is playing with fire. In the short term the IRS story helps rile up their base, but at the cost of undermining trust in public institutions — institutions that the GOP will be running again someday.
I’m shocked that you blame the GOP for undermining trust in institutions that are methodically undermining themselves with their own behavior.
OK, I’m not, actually.
“I’m shocked that you blame the GOP for undermining trust in institutions that are methodically undermining themselves with their own behavior.”
The mental contrortions he has to go through to believe this stuff and not have his head explode must be monumental.
“nstitutions that the GOP will be running again someday.”
Is that a threat that government agencies will sabotage elected officials who happen to be Republican? Not really defending Obama or the IRS very well.
Nothing in the IRS account of lost emails meshes with my understanding of email, especially given the context of an agency where keeping records is required under the law. I can only conclude that emails were lost deliberately, involving persons at both ends of the exchange.
Has the IRS actually produced emails from Flax? Koskinen claimed he could retrieve Lerner’s emails from the server. This is the same guy claiming Flax emails were not lost because she had a second computer. A second computer doesn’t mean a comprehensive set of emails. His credibility is crap.
When I have email accessed on multiple computers, only one of them is set to pull them off the server.
Flax may have done this, in which case her emails were either on the computer that crashed or her laptop. Flax may have had both machines pull from the server, which means only some of her emails are available. We won’t know what’s available until the IRS produces those emails. But Koskinen has already said he will drag his feet on delivering emails to obstruct justice personally verify the information contained is proper to release, and he will destroy any evidence redact whatever he chooses.
Anyway, Koskinen isn’t alone. Jim’s credibility is crap too. He keeps making up BS about Bush losing emails when the truth is that a politically active, self-proclaimed Progressive 501c3 requested RNC email it had absolutely not right to have. The same 501c3 has joined with a Democrat political candidate to sue the IRS to force it to prevent TEA Party organizations from obtaining 501c4 status. Yet, allegedly the IRS becoming a political weapon was just a bunch of rouge agents…
It was Flax’s travel laptop that crashed. We don’t know that there were any emails stored exclusively on the laptop, so we don’t know that any emails were lost.
He keeps making up BS about Bush losing emails
So CNN made up these quotes from Bush spokesperson Dana Perino?
Millions of White House e-mails may be missing, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino acknowledged Friday.
“I wouldn’t rule out that there were a potential 5 million e-mails lost,” Perino told reporters.
“We don’t know that there were any emails stored exclusively on the laptop, so we don’t know that any emails were lost.”
But you keep saying that none were lost. How can you be so self righteous in claiming that the Republicans are lying when you are being a hypocrite?
At least the House Republicans can point to a “crashed” hd as evidence of missing data. You are claiming that an irrecoverable crashed hd lost no data.
According to you, IRS policy is to back up emails on the hd of the computer that sent them. If that line is true as you claim, then there are missing emails.
And why do you keep saying that you think Bush did something wrong but Obama doing something similar is right and proper? When are you going to start using Nixon as justification to say Obama’s persecution of political dissidents wasn’t illegal?
But you keep saying that none were lost
No, I keep saying that the IRS didn’t tell the GOP that any emails were lost. Can you spot the distinction?
You are claiming that an irrecoverable crashed hd lost no data.
No, I’ve made no such claim. I’ve said that the GOP claim — that the IRS told them that Flax and five others lost email — is false.
According to you, IRS policy is to back up emails on the hd of the computer that sent them.
No, I never said that either. I don’t know how Outlook handles outbound mail (e.g. whether it saves the email locally, on the server, both, or whether it depends on the application and server configuration).
Obama’s persecution of political dissidents
There isn’t proof of any such thing. The House asked for the emails because they were searching for such proof, remember?
More to the point, what kind of crappy hard drives are the IRS buying if they’ve had so many irretrievably fail? I’ve never had a hard drive fail to the point where I couldn’t retrieve most or all of the data on it.
‘The hard drive crashed and lost my files’ seems to be the modern equivalent of ‘the dog ate my homework’. The GOP should be asking the IRS for hard drive failure statistics; if they can lose six in this way, they should have lost thousands to normal, everyday, recoverable drive failure.
Of course, that also means they have an absolutely lousy hardware replacement policy and should be replacing drives much earlier.
The GOP should be asking the IRS for hard drive failure statistics
Koskinen testified that they’ve had 2,000 hard drive crashes since January 1. Even with 90,000 IRS employees, that’s a lot. I’d love to have one of these hearings feature IT experts talking about what it would take to fix the IRS IT problems that have come to light, but that obviously isn’t what the committee chairs are focused on.
“Can you spot the distinction?”
You have to make a distinction first.
“’ve said that the GOP claim — that the IRS told them that Flax and five others lost email — is false.”
How can it be false if you don’t know what was on the hd and wouldn’t that make your own claim false?
“No, I never said that either.”
Oh, so now you don’t want to rely on the Obama provided talking points you used on previous threads? That is probably a good idea considering how they make you defend a lie with a lie and then get caught.
“No, I never said that either. I don’t know how Outlook handles outbound mail ”
Uhhh, you want us to believe that outlook stores emails on Lerner’s hd but when it comes to Flax, there is a different policy?
“There isn’t proof of any such thing.”
Oh c’mon now, there is a lot of proof. The IG report alone is proof of what happened and so is all of the shenanigans that have been brought to light because of that minimal investigation.
“The House asked for the emails because they were searching for such proof, remember?”
Ohhhh I see what you were doing. Cheer leading Obama for destroying evidence and then snarking at his victims that there is no evidence. Real piece of work there Jim.
“I wouldn’t rule out that there were a potential 5 million e-mails lost,”
I wouldn’t rule out Harry Reid being a pederast.
Jim, I take it you are trying to suggest your lying isn’t because you are a crap political hack, rather you are just a moron unable to comprehend simple logic.
“It was Flax’s travel laptop that crashed.”
jim the fact is you don’t know that. You know nothing, because the IRS has already been caught lying, admitting to felonies, hiding information, and backtracking.
You are the very type of fool they hope to befuddle.
Jim wants us to believe that this was a super special travel only laptop that was never used except on airplane trips or something rather than how other professionals use their laptops, which is all the time.
Timeline is incomplete. It misses the Z-Street case, which was filed in August 2010, 10 months prior to the alleged harddrive crash. That case should have put a legal hold on IRS information related to the delay of the Z-Street 501c application because it was: “sent to a special unit in the DC office to determine whether the organization’s activities contradict the Administration’s public policies”
Besides the fact that the IRS seems to have destroyed data related to a pending lawsuit; what the hell is the IRS doing setting aside applications based on the Administration’s public policies? That right there ought to be investigated.
The Z-Street case will now enter discovery. It will be interesting to see if the IRS can provide the data requested in the case. The opportunity for the IRS to explain itself prior to discovery expired on Thursday.
Thus blowing out of the water the excuse that the recovery tapes were recycled. If the IRS recycled those tapes, then the entire agency is in a world of trouble, not just a few rogue agents.
Obama’s persecution of political dissidents
A question for Wodun: Here and here you will find two rejection letters that the IRS sent to groups that applied for 501c4 status. The names of the groups and details of their applications are redacted to protect their privacy, but you can read the reasons that IRS gave for denying the applications.
Do you think these are examples of persecution of political dissidents? Why or why not?
It’s already been noted that the problem isn’t outright rejection, but foot dragging – neither approving or rejecting an application for a bit over two years.
Karl,
Jim doesn’t bother himself with such trivialities in his mission to obfuscate and push people down ratholes.
What Karl said.
Also, we should note the IRS is engaged in viewpoint discrimination where the groups and individuals being investigated and audited by the IRS are guilty of only being non-Democrats. While non-Democrat groups are being persecuted, Democrat groups are getting special training sessions from the IRS and DOJ and special treatment for their activist groups like OFA.
Don’t forget, this is about more than just Tea Party groups. The IG investigation was instigated by donors getting audited because of their political affiliation. Pro-life and Israel related groups were also selected for persecution by Obama’s IRS. There was an intentional effort to map out the relationships of the people who make up these groups, very similar to Obama’s use of big data in the campaign to map out voters, and then persecute those people as well.
These Obama administration activities continue for years after they were supposed to have stopped which means that the IRS and other government organizations have the blessing of Obama to carryout these actions.
Any opinion on what Judicial Watch is up to? Looks like they have standing and they have a hearing on July 10th with Judge Emmett Sullivan regarding the lost emails. This judge has a ruputation for not putting up with the BS the House is currently accepting from the IRS. I hate to get my hopes up, something has to finally break through the constant stonewalling from this administration.
So comprehensive it even includes events that didn’t happen:
I guess ABC news has a propensity for reporting on events that didn’t happen:
Lawmakers: IRS Lost More Emails in Tea Party Probe
Or, here it is directly from the Chairman of the House Means Committee:
IRS kept secret for months, more than just Lerner emails lost
Yes, the House GOP claimed that Flax’s emails were lost. No, the IRS did not report that. In fact, the director of the IRS stated under oath that “there is no indication that a single Nicole Flax e-mail has been lost.”
The House GOP, upon hearing that Flax had a hard disk crash, jumped to the conclusion that her emails had been lost, and even came up with a timeframe for the imagined lost emails.
The GOP has backpedalled and is now hypothesizing that maybe Flax lost emails in a way that the IRS hadn’t considered, yet more evidence that the claim of lost emails comes from the GOP, not from the IRS.
A Democrat congressman says there are no lost emails, the Republican congressman says there are. We’ll find out for real when complete email records are actuallly turned over to the investigating committee. I wouldn’t place bets on full and complete records being turned over, but we shall see.
The IRS contends that Flax’s emails still exist because she also uses a lap top. But they didn’t specify if all of the emails were on both computers or if each computer stored its own set of emails. Lerner claims she only stored hers on her HD and didn’t say anything about using her PC to back up her emails from other devices. Doesn’t look like either were following the established rules regarding the retention of emails.
Koskinen testified that it was Flax’s travel laptop that had the hard disk crash.
I’ll wager she took that laptop home with her every day and took it with her every time she left her office for meetings. Maybe we should check the White House CCTV and see if she brought it with her to any meetings with Obama.
Why are you even bothering going down this road defending yet another lie about this being some sort of special and rarely used “travel” laptop? Obama is just going to make you look like a stupid hypocrite liar again.
Interesting. The IRS changes its story once again, and you cast that as the GOP backpedaling.
The IRS did not change its story. It told the GOP that there were six other hard drive crashes, and the GOP got ahead of itself, hyping the six crashes as indicating that those six employees lost email for the same period as Lois Lerner. Now the GOP is admitting that they don’t know whether any emails were lost.
“The IRS did not change its story. ”
Oh really? It has been endless story changes from the IRS.
“Now the GOP is admitting that they don’t know whether any emails were lost.”
But you claim none were lost.
What I want to know is if OJ “did it.”
All of the circumstantial and physical evidence was stacked against him just as the IRS deal looks fishy to a everyone apart from yourself who is studying the situation very carefully.
It looked like the LAPD was in full “Hat Squad” mode of seeking to mete out rough justice as you say the Repubs trying to do with Mr. Koskinen and Ms. Lerner. I was inclined to give OJ the benefit of the doubt regarding the history of “how things are done” out on the far Western frontier in L.A., but then he writes that book, a strange confession to murder written in the subjunctive tense.
I guess I was still inclined to believe in the man’s innocence after that “little incident” where guns were brandished in a Las Vegas hotel “trying to get (his) ‘stuff’ back.” It is not just that armed robbery seemed a little bit of overcharging him to get a bereaved father justice for his son. It is that OJ was true to how people know him to be, that this “operation” was conducted not solo, but with a posse of his pals, with a small mob watching his back.
How the murder for which he was acquitted but later found to have committed a tort for wrongful death over a photo of some expensive shoes, how that murder was said to have been conducted rings false to how he seems to go about things. Where were all his buds? You had that infamous slow-speed chase where he was threatening suicide, and that too was circumstantial evidence of his guilt because murderers for relationships gone wrong often take their own lives. But here too, A.C. was driving the car, the man doesn’t seem to do anything without his guys backing him up. That is, unless there was a squad of accomplices before or after the fact that have managed to shut up for 20 years.
Jim, this IRS thing appears to be deeper than ideology, it appears to be personal to you that people are “piling on” based on what they hear about this, admittedly from a kind of “tabloid” media because the real media does not seem to be engaged. I think a lot of us felt that way about the OJ thing for similarly complex reasons. So I can develop a basis of empathy for your concerns about the IRS matter, what say you about OJ?
I thought OJ was guilty.
Yes and note it’s the IRS saying it not GOP.
Jim cannot be bothered to look at the Youtube video where Ryan asks why it took so long for the IRS to admit Flax’s emails were lost in a HD crash and Koskinen’s reply of “Well I told you about it Monday.”
I suppose hearing the IRS Commissioner say it woudl be just too dissonant.
where Ryan asks why it took so long for the IRS to admit Flax’s emails were lost
Ryan did not ask about lost emails, he asked about hard disk crashes. He asked Koskinen:
Koskinen replied: We told you on Monday.
Jim, do you realize how dangerous (to you) this IRS scandal is? The IRS is the most hated agency in America, now it is de-legitimizing itself. The militias have recruits and ammo is flying off the shelves.
C’mon people. Let’s not make like ISIS and Quds and let’s keep this on the level of reasoned word.
I do think the GOP is playing with fire. In the short term the IRS story helps rile up their base, but at the cost of undermining trust in public institutions — institutions that the GOP will be running again someday.
I’m shocked that you blame the GOP for undermining trust in institutions that are methodically undermining themselves with their own behavior.
OK, I’m not, actually.
“I’m shocked that you blame the GOP for undermining trust in institutions that are methodically undermining themselves with their own behavior.”
The mental contrortions he has to go through to believe this stuff and not have his head explode must be monumental.
“nstitutions that the GOP will be running again someday.”
Is that a threat that government agencies will sabotage elected officials who happen to be Republican? Not really defending Obama or the IRS very well.
Nothing in the IRS account of lost emails meshes with my understanding of email, especially given the context of an agency where keeping records is required under the law. I can only conclude that emails were lost deliberately, involving persons at both ends of the exchange.
Has the IRS actually produced emails from Flax? Koskinen claimed he could retrieve Lerner’s emails from the server. This is the same guy claiming Flax emails were not lost because she had a second computer. A second computer doesn’t mean a comprehensive set of emails. His credibility is crap.
When I have email accessed on multiple computers, only one of them is set to pull them off the server.
Flax may have done this, in which case her emails were either on the computer that crashed or her laptop. Flax may have had both machines pull from the server, which means only some of her emails are available. We won’t know what’s available until the IRS produces those emails. But Koskinen has already said he will drag his feet on delivering emails to
obstruct justicepersonally verify the information contained is proper to release, and he willdestroy any evidenceredact whatever he chooses.Anyway, Koskinen isn’t alone. Jim’s credibility is crap too. He keeps making up BS about Bush losing emails when the truth is that a politically active, self-proclaimed Progressive 501c3 requested RNC email it had absolutely not right to have. The same 501c3 has joined with a Democrat political candidate to sue the IRS to force it to prevent TEA Party organizations from obtaining 501c4 status. Yet, allegedly the IRS becoming a political weapon was just a bunch of rouge agents…
It was Flax’s travel laptop that crashed. We don’t know that there were any emails stored exclusively on the laptop, so we don’t know that any emails were lost.
He keeps making up BS about Bush losing emails
So CNN made up these quotes from Bush spokesperson Dana Perino?
“We don’t know that there were any emails stored exclusively on the laptop, so we don’t know that any emails were lost.”
But you keep saying that none were lost. How can you be so self righteous in claiming that the Republicans are lying when you are being a hypocrite?
At least the House Republicans can point to a “crashed” hd as evidence of missing data. You are claiming that an irrecoverable crashed hd lost no data.
According to you, IRS policy is to back up emails on the hd of the computer that sent them. If that line is true as you claim, then there are missing emails.
And why do you keep saying that you think Bush did something wrong but Obama doing something similar is right and proper? When are you going to start using Nixon as justification to say Obama’s persecution of political dissidents wasn’t illegal?
But you keep saying that none were lost
No, I keep saying that the IRS didn’t tell the GOP that any emails were lost. Can you spot the distinction?
You are claiming that an irrecoverable crashed hd lost no data.
No, I’ve made no such claim. I’ve said that the GOP claim — that the IRS told them that Flax and five others lost email — is false.
According to you, IRS policy is to back up emails on the hd of the computer that sent them.
No, I never said that either. I don’t know how Outlook handles outbound mail (e.g. whether it saves the email locally, on the server, both, or whether it depends on the application and server configuration).
Obama’s persecution of political dissidents
There isn’t proof of any such thing. The House asked for the emails because they were searching for such proof, remember?
More to the point, what kind of crappy hard drives are the IRS buying if they’ve had so many irretrievably fail? I’ve never had a hard drive fail to the point where I couldn’t retrieve most or all of the data on it.
‘The hard drive crashed and lost my files’ seems to be the modern equivalent of ‘the dog ate my homework’. The GOP should be asking the IRS for hard drive failure statistics; if they can lose six in this way, they should have lost thousands to normal, everyday, recoverable drive failure.
Of course, that also means they have an absolutely lousy hardware replacement policy and should be replacing drives much earlier.
The GOP should be asking the IRS for hard drive failure statistics
Koskinen testified that they’ve had 2,000 hard drive crashes since January 1. Even with 90,000 IRS employees, that’s a lot. I’d love to have one of these hearings feature IT experts talking about what it would take to fix the IRS IT problems that have come to light, but that obviously isn’t what the committee chairs are focused on.
“Can you spot the distinction?”
You have to make a distinction first.
“’ve said that the GOP claim — that the IRS told them that Flax and five others lost email — is false.”
How can it be false if you don’t know what was on the hd and wouldn’t that make your own claim false?
“No, I never said that either.”
Oh, so now you don’t want to rely on the Obama provided talking points you used on previous threads? That is probably a good idea considering how they make you defend a lie with a lie and then get caught.
“No, I never said that either. I don’t know how Outlook handles outbound mail ”
Uhhh, you want us to believe that outlook stores emails on Lerner’s hd but when it comes to Flax, there is a different policy?
“There isn’t proof of any such thing.”
Oh c’mon now, there is a lot of proof. The IG report alone is proof of what happened and so is all of the shenanigans that have been brought to light because of that minimal investigation.
“The House asked for the emails because they were searching for such proof, remember?”
Ohhhh I see what you were doing. Cheer leading Obama for destroying evidence and then snarking at his victims that there is no evidence. Real piece of work there Jim.
“I wouldn’t rule out that there were a potential 5 million e-mails lost,”
I wouldn’t rule out Harry Reid being a pederast.
Jim, I take it you are trying to suggest your lying isn’t because you are a crap political hack, rather you are just a moron unable to comprehend simple logic.
“It was Flax’s travel laptop that crashed.”
jim the fact is you don’t know that. You know nothing, because the IRS has already been caught lying, admitting to felonies, hiding information, and backtracking.
You are the very type of fool they hope to befuddle.
Jim wants us to believe that this was a super special travel only laptop that was never used except on airplane trips or something rather than how other professionals use their laptops, which is all the time.
Timeline is incomplete. It misses the Z-Street case, which was filed in August 2010, 10 months prior to the alleged harddrive crash. That case should have put a legal hold on IRS information related to the delay of the Z-Street 501c application because it was: “sent to a special unit in the DC office to determine whether the organization’s activities contradict the Administration’s public policies”
Besides the fact that the IRS seems to have destroyed data related to a pending lawsuit; what the hell is the IRS doing setting aside applications based on the Administration’s public policies? That right there ought to be investigated.
The Z-Street case will now enter discovery. It will be interesting to see if the IRS can provide the data requested in the case. The opportunity for the IRS to explain itself prior to discovery expired on Thursday.
Thus blowing out of the water the excuse that the recovery tapes were recycled. If the IRS recycled those tapes, then the entire agency is in a world of trouble, not just a few rogue agents.
Obama’s persecution of political dissidents
A question for Wodun: Here and here you will find two rejection letters that the IRS sent to groups that applied for 501c4 status. The names of the groups and details of their applications are redacted to protect their privacy, but you can read the reasons that IRS gave for denying the applications.
Do you think these are examples of persecution of political dissidents? Why or why not?
It’s already been noted that the problem isn’t outright rejection, but foot dragging – neither approving or rejecting an application for a bit over two years.
Karl,
Jim doesn’t bother himself with such trivialities in his mission to obfuscate and push people down ratholes.
What Karl said.
Also, we should note the IRS is engaged in viewpoint discrimination where the groups and individuals being investigated and audited by the IRS are guilty of only being non-Democrats. While non-Democrat groups are being persecuted, Democrat groups are getting special training sessions from the IRS and DOJ and special treatment for their activist groups like OFA.
Don’t forget, this is about more than just Tea Party groups. The IG investigation was instigated by donors getting audited because of their political affiliation. Pro-life and Israel related groups were also selected for persecution by Obama’s IRS. There was an intentional effort to map out the relationships of the people who make up these groups, very similar to Obama’s use of big data in the campaign to map out voters, and then persecute those people as well.
These Obama administration activities continue for years after they were supposed to have stopped which means that the IRS and other government organizations have the blessing of Obama to carryout these actions.