America And Christianity

Some thoughts from @Instapundit. I’m a non-theist who thinks that Christianity is worth fighting for.

[Update a few minutes later]

Of course, the war isn’t just against Christians: How “progressives” belittle violence against Jews.

They were obviously asking for it.

[Update a few more minutes later]

Christians must be made to bow:

Not “must be persuaded,” but “must be made.” Compelled. Forced. And not forced to change our behavior, but forced to change what we believe. Because You Must Approve.

And just how do Bruni and his militant Social Justice Warriors plan to force us to repudiate our beliefs? We are going to find out. Indiana and Arkansas showed that most Americans don’t much care about religious liberty — and in fact, people like Bruni and the newspaper he works for have contempt for it, at least when it is practiced by “conservative Christians.”

And not just The New York Times, but newspapers like The Forum, in, get this, Fargo, North Dakota, published a front page running the photographs of every member of the state legislature who voted against an LGBT equality bill. Of course I have no problem with a newspaper, or anybody, criticizing, and criticizing strongly, those who vote the way they don’t like. But the imagery and the format here is that of a witch hunt designed to hold Enemies Of The People up to public contempt.

Can you imagine the outcry if Ross Douthat, an orthodox Catholic colleague of Bruni’s, writing a piece endorsing as “worthy — and warranted” the idea that pro-LGBT Christians and others “must be made to put homosexuality back on the sin list”? I’m a conservative Christian who believes the traditional teaching, and I would find such a coercive statement appalling. But of course nobody on that side seems to have the slightest doubt about their cause, their motives, or their methods. None. In a holy war, there is no room for doubt.

Can you imagine the outcry if the Times published a column saying that Jews or Muslims must be “made” to quit believing a tenet of their religion? If socialists must be “made” to disavow any of their political convictions?

Well, actually, in the case of Jews, I can.

[Late-morning update]

Indiana pizzeria owners go into hiding:

It’s not that the left and gay activists can’t see the distinction. It’s that they refuse to acknowledge the difference for political reasons. Since tolerating dissent would mean less than a total victory for their pet cause, we must all think alike — absolute domination or nothing.

The backlash isn’t fazing them a bit. If anything, their hate has become more exaggerated and more hysterical as commentators like Friedersdorf calmly, rationally point out their radical extremism. The army of Fascists who have attacked the O’Connors — and anyone who remotely agrees with them — won’t stop. Shaming them does little good, as they have no shame. Reasoning with them is useless because they lack the ability to reason.

The taste of power that this Fascist collective has gotten in recent years, destroying those who displease them for any reason, is like a drug. Soon, the pizzeria victims will fade from view and the leftist cadres will have to find another target. It hardly matters who is in the crosshairs, only that someone with an unpopular or politically incorrect thought is railroaded.

This is what totalitarianism looks like. All they need is the brown shirts.

[Update a few minutes later]

More thoughts from Rick Wilson:

At some point, the social-justice warrior crowd is going to incite their people into something more than Ferguson or Occupy or Internet harassment. At some point, their fanatic desire to erase God from the hearts and minds and actions of red America will cross a threshold. Someday, in some town, a Christian shopkeeper who becomes the focus of the 4chan or Reddit Rage Machine will be killed by some militant atheist or black bloc kid or some other flavor of crazy. That day, their rage won’t come from the click of a mouse, but from the barrel of a gun.

On that day, instead of reacting with horror and disgust, someone important enough in their social-justice-warrior universe–be it a political figure, a celebrity, or just a popular activist–will say something like, “I abhor violence, but…”

On the day that “but” becomes acceptable on the Left, it’s a ratchet that turns only one way. When political violence becomes mainstreamed, it infects a society quickly. It’s a short, quick slide into hell. The tolerance crowd will read that scenario and explode with denials. They’re never going to call for violence. Leftism is a peaceful religion. (Sound familiar?)

Sorry, kids. The twentieth century (really, every century) is replete with examples of the boundaries of civilization fraying when the cause of the day made religiously or ideologically driven violence acceptable. In almost every case, the owners of the dominant share of cultural and social power did let it happen there. I fear that even here, even now we’re not beyond it.

The Founders were profoundly aware of the Thirty Years War, and the wars in Britain over the Scottish Reformation and the Ernglish Civil War. They wrote the First Amendment, and made it first, for a reason.

[Update a few minutes later]


Polling indicates
that most Americans are sane (that is, they side with the pizzeria owners). That is, they can make the crucial distinction between simple public accommodation and being compelled to participate in a ceremony with which they morally disapprove.

[Update mid-afternoon]

The Church of the Left:

This distinction between individual and institutional religious freedom has actually been at the core of a lot of the religious freedom battles we’ve had in the Obama years. It has been more prominent in the HHS-mandate debates, but it’s very much a part of this argument about whether a florist shop or a pizza parlor can be Christian. In a country with a non-Christian state religion that it takes seriously, the answer is basically no. The florist can be Christian as an individual, but his store can’t be, because institutions, unlike individuals, are creatures of the law and our law already has a religion: progressive liberalism.

We who are appalled by the perverse reaction to the Indiana law are not exactly defending the free exercise right; we are in a sense opposing a violation of the prohibition on religious establishment. The point is not that running a flower shop is a way of practicing one’s religion. The point is that, if reasonably possible, people should not be compelled as the price of entry to the public square to honor as true what their understanding of their religious obligations compels them to judge false.

Everyone has a religion.

10 thoughts on “America And Christianity”

  1. It is not enough to support something, or at least be neutral, you have to enthusiastically and publicly support random strangers. You are not expected to wait until someone asks you a question but to show your enthusiasm by cheering loudly when not asked and those who do not cheer loud enough are the problems and big brother is always watching to see who is devout.

    Also, too late!

    “At some point, the social-justice warrior crowd is going to incite their people into something more than Ferguson or Occupy or Internet harassment.”

    The Ferguson protests lead not only to assassinated cops, and several thwarted assassinations and bomb plots, but also to murdered protesters. The Hobby Lobby and Chick Fil A Democrat protests led to a mass shooting. In Wisconsin, Democrats raided homes with SWAT teams and in other places they have used SWATing as a way to try and get people killed.

    The mob violence against political dissidents is already here. It is little wonder that these violent tactics of Democrat activists receive little condemnation from their party or the media when they also cheer on Obama using government agencies to persecute non-Democrats.

  2. The Hobby Lobby and Chick Fil A Democrat protests led to a mass shooting. In Wisconsin, Democrats raided homes with SWAT teams and in other places they have used SWATing as a way to try and get people killed.

    Can you provide links that back up any of that at all?

    1. I can;

      “A number of conservative bloggers allege they have been targeted through the use of harassment tactics such as SWAT-ting (fooling 911 operators into sending emergency teams to their homes), in retaliation for posts they have written, and now Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., has stepped into the matter. He has sent a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder urging him to investigate the SWAT-ting cases to see if federal laws have been violated.”
      http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=16512486

      or how about this one

      http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2012/05/brett-kimberlin-and-swatting-where-is.html

  3. And if we dare to resist their violent aggressions, and one of the aggressors is shot, we will be declared the criminal.

    Any encounter in which they don’t get what they want, we will be declared in the wrong. That is the depths of their depravity.

  4. Someday, in some town, a Christian shopkeeper who becomes the focus of the 4chan or Reddit Rage Machine will be killed by some militant atheist or black bloc kid or some other flavor of crazy.

    I think violence, if and when it comes, is as likely on behalf of the Christian shopkeeper. The recent experience with abortion clinic bombings and murders of abortionists suggests that violent passions are not restricted to either side of the political spectrum. Abortion violence also makes clear that many on the right who would never take such actions themselves will have no trouble apologizing for it.

    I think it’s naive to suppose that the danger of violence exists only from the left.

    1. That is both true, and irrelevant. We can see in the current situation whence the totalitarianism, and most likely source of violence, because the pizzeria owners have already been threatened.

    2. If you want to go back as far as the abortion doctors getting killed (how long ago was that? 20 years?) how about we ask Randy Weaver?

  5. To me, the leftists’/statists’ mindset is pretty much like the Terminator’s: They can’t be bargained with. They don’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear*. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead [or, at the very least, submit].

    *They do fear those willing and able to defend the rights embedded in the constitution. It’s why they hate the second amendment so much, as well as freedom of speech.

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