It’s a typical non-sequitur story. There’s no reason why we can’t work on both. Also, like Elon said, poverty and unhappiness are not necessarily linked together in a direct proportion.
I think unequality is a problem because it raises the barriers to entry and makes the economy more aristocratic and less meritocratic. So I think there should be some effort to ensure people get the chance to raise to their maximum potential. But there will always be differences because not everyone has the same abilities or priorities.
Wow. Talk about stupidity burning. So these boat people are basically the Mayflower pilgrims of our time
The colossus of ignorance in those 12 words is probably impossible to quantify.
We could however solve one problem by making Mars a kind of Coventry for “liberals” and all others who prefer (using Leonard Read’s terminology) the Command Society over the Free Society–and want to force that preference on the rest of us. Let them get their sadomasochistic jollies among themselves. It will be like one big planetary leather bar, Of course, given statism’s history, they’ll probably all starve or kill each other.
It is the Red Planet, after all. Though the Soviets seemed to prefer Venus.
If we can put a man on the Moon, why can’t we….
Oh, wait. We can’t do that any more.
The “Poverty Line” is just flat not “The Survival Line”. It’s closer to tracking the line between the fourth-and-fifth quintiles on income (depending on if you include kids and other questions). How odd! There’s 1/5 of the population inside the lowest quintile! – math is racist, sexist, and hurts women and children hardest.
I looked at her facebook page… someone should suggest to her that before “migrating” to another Gala event proverty should be solved.
She sure loves her gala events.
The old binary choice fallacy, where it is only possible to do one or the other thing at the same time.
What part of “Do both” do these tards not get?
The people who create nothing of value tell people who create value that they should be working on something else. Painted with a broad brush, sure, but that’s frequently how I feel when I hear “We should be working on XYZ instead”.
Personally, I respond to that question by asking why can’t the gummint set up a Department Of Solving Man’s Problems On Earth and fund it to the same level as space flight. Oh, wait…..
The busy-bodies of the world will do anything to “fight” poverty, except for the one thing that causes more of it than anything else: get out of the way of peoples’ economic activities.
That is to say, they won’t stop getting in the way of peoples’ economic activities.
If we can start exploiting the natural resources of the rest of the solar system, that would go a long way towards reducing scarcity.
Here’s the entire problem in a nutshell….
a civilization that lifts up the lowest among us
That’s not the job of ‘civilization’ and can not be.
We can make it possible for more people to share in the wealth but that’s not the direction govt. is taking us.
“Sharing the wealth” by force is like kicking a campfire and spreading the coals.
The problem is you really can’t understand this for them. They see an obvious problem, but have no clue how to resolve it other than forcing the wrong people to be responsible.
Colonizing mars will reduce poverty on earth because people create wealth and mars could hold billions of people. Here’s a reference for you\Thomas, Asimov’s “Caves of Steel.” Mars has the iron. No terraforming required.
A can of people in space may have unlimited growth but do we see any examples? No. What we see are ships with a limited capacity in all known examples. Ships sometimes do get the limousine treatment where they cut them and add a section, but again this is not common. More ships you say? Fine. Do it. I’ll even propose how.
Of course I could be wrong. That’s why we should pursue all options in a cost efficient manner. I think $500m a year from
NASA’s budget would not be unreasonable (especially in light of what they waste annually on SLS/Orion.) Id rather it not be taxpayer’s money, but since they take it anyway…?
NASA could have 37 projects at that level of funding with their current budget. Mine gives you mars. What would the other 36 give you? How many would have to succeed for a net gain?
I don’t believe in the current dreams of sending humans to Mars in the next few decades. We don’t know how to live in space yet. A few hundred humans have had extended stays on ISS. Their health has been quite adversely affected. A very few have made trips to the Moon. Those camping trips were very expensive.
When we have a base on the Moon, when we have something like O’Neill colonies near the Earth, when we have shown that humans can live healthily in space for a long time, then I will believe in trips to Mars.
Elon Musk can dream all he wants. Just don’t ask me to pay for his dreams.
“Elon Musk can dream all he wants. Just don’t ask me to pay for his dreams.”
Luckily for all of us, no one is asking that. He’s getting some contracts for other things, but the Mars work is all internal capital, and if it is to succeed, will have to stay that way.
“When we have a base on the Moon, when we have something like O’Neill colonies near the Earth, when we have shown that humans can live healthily in space for a long time, then I will believe in trips to Mars.”
Luckily for all of us, settling Mars does not require any one person to “believe” in it. Developing one piece of the Solar System at a time will be a flop. Getting industrial levels of wealth from the Solar System will require even more extensive networks of activity than the world-wide networks that make the continuing industrial revolution possible here on Earth. “Doing the Moon”, and then “Doing Space Colonies”, and then “Doing Mars” will see each of them alone collapse before the next gets built. Only with a highly productive network taking advantage, with intelligent insight, of many nodes in the Solar System, will we see success.
I didn’t say stop at the Moon or with an O’Neill colony or two. I said learn to live in space before heading out to Mars and beyond.
Mars — and for that matter — all other places in the Solar System are not really friendly to our kind of life. The Mars of science fiction does not exist in our system.
When European pioneers started out on their voyages of discovery, they were going to places that were, in many important ways, like home. There were dangers to be sure. But the Americas had millions of human beings living there long before any European voyages arrived. And those voyages were dangerous — but not nearly as problematical as heading off to Mars.
That’s why I am not supportive of sending humans to Mars in 20 years. We are just learning our way around space — and we have much to learn.
Elon Musk comes off as some sort of fanatic. He apparently works 100 hours a week and demands 80 hours of work a week from his workforce. Believe it or not, that is actually counterproductive in the long run (think months and years).
Elon Musk comes off as some sort of fanatic. He apparently works 100 hours a week and demands 80 hours of work a week from his workforce. Believe it or not, that is actually counterproductive in the long run (think months and years).
It’s the Silicon Valley startup culture. I also think it’s a bad idea but it’s the kind of thing kids who don’t know better end up doing. Which is fine I guess but I do not want to work in a place like that.
As for your other comment some of the places which were settled had no prior human presence there. Lots of formerly uninhabited islands in the middle of the ocean like Bermuda. If you look at the history of the occupation of such islands it always starts with a) finding a source of water, b) releasing livestock to grow in the island.
We need the space equivalent of goats and pigs to live off the fat of the land before actual settlement begins.
It’s a typical non-sequitur story. There’s no reason why we can’t work on both. Also, like Elon said, poverty and unhappiness are not necessarily linked together in a direct proportion.
I think unequality is a problem because it raises the barriers to entry and makes the economy more aristocratic and less meritocratic. So I think there should be some effort to ensure people get the chance to raise to their maximum potential. But there will always be differences because not everyone has the same abilities or priorities.
Wow. Talk about stupidity burning.
So these boat people are basically the Mayflower pilgrims of our time
The colossus of ignorance in those 12 words is probably impossible to quantify.
We could however solve one problem by making Mars a kind of Coventry for “liberals” and all others who prefer (using Leonard Read’s terminology) the Command Society over the Free Society–and want to force that preference on the rest of us. Let them get their sadomasochistic jollies among themselves. It will be like one big planetary leather bar, Of course, given statism’s history, they’ll probably all starve or kill each other.
It is the Red Planet, after all. Though the Soviets seemed to prefer Venus.
If we can put a man on the Moon, why can’t we….
Oh, wait. We can’t do that any more.
The “Poverty Line” is just flat not “The Survival Line”. It’s closer to tracking the line between the fourth-and-fifth quintiles on income (depending on if you include kids and other questions). How odd! There’s 1/5 of the population inside the lowest quintile! – math is racist, sexist, and hurts women and children hardest.
I looked at her facebook page… someone should suggest to her that before “migrating” to another Gala event proverty should be solved.
She sure loves her gala events.
The old binary choice fallacy, where it is only possible to do one or the other thing at the same time.
What part of “Do both” do these tards not get?
The people who create nothing of value tell people who create value that they should be working on something else. Painted with a broad brush, sure, but that’s frequently how I feel when I hear “We should be working on XYZ instead”.
This subject came up when I was working with Ernst Stuhlinger, and he gave me a copy of a letter he had written to a nun who asked why the country could afford space flight. His answer is excellent and repeated here:
http://myscienceacademy.org/2012/08/13/why-explore-space-a-1970-letter-to-a-nun-in-africa/
Personally, I respond to that question by asking why can’t the gummint set up a Department Of Solving Man’s Problems On Earth and fund it to the same level as space flight. Oh, wait…..
The busy-bodies of the world will do anything to “fight” poverty, except for the one thing that causes more of it than anything else: get out of the way of peoples’ economic activities.
That is to say, they won’t stop getting in the way of peoples’ economic activities.
If we can start exploiting the natural resources of the rest of the solar system, that would go a long way towards reducing scarcity.
Here’s the entire problem in a nutshell….
a civilization that lifts up the lowest among us
That’s not the job of ‘civilization’ and can not be.
We can make it possible for more people to share in the wealth but that’s not the direction govt. is taking us.
“Sharing the wealth” by force is like kicking a campfire and spreading the coals.
The problem is you really can’t understand this for them. They see an obvious problem, but have no clue how to resolve it other than forcing the wrong people to be responsible.
Colonizing mars will reduce poverty on earth because people create wealth and mars could hold billions of people. Here’s a reference for you\Thomas, Asimov’s “Caves of Steel.” Mars has the iron. No terraforming required.
A can of people in space may have unlimited growth but do we see any examples? No. What we see are ships with a limited capacity in all known examples. Ships sometimes do get the limousine treatment where they cut them and add a section, but again this is not common. More ships you say? Fine. Do it. I’ll even propose how.
Of course I could be wrong. That’s why we should pursue all options in a cost efficient manner. I think $500m a year from
NASA’s budget would not be unreasonable (especially in light of what they waste annually on SLS/Orion.) Id rather it not be taxpayer’s money, but since they take it anyway…?
NASA could have 37 projects at that level of funding with their current budget. Mine gives you mars. What would the other 36 give you? How many would have to succeed for a net gain?
I don’t believe in the current dreams of sending humans to Mars in the next few decades. We don’t know how to live in space yet. A few hundred humans have had extended stays on ISS. Their health has been quite adversely affected. A very few have made trips to the Moon. Those camping trips were very expensive.
When we have a base on the Moon, when we have something like O’Neill colonies near the Earth, when we have shown that humans can live healthily in space for a long time, then I will believe in trips to Mars.
Elon Musk can dream all he wants. Just don’t ask me to pay for his dreams.
“Elon Musk can dream all he wants. Just don’t ask me to pay for his dreams.”
Luckily for all of us, no one is asking that. He’s getting some contracts for other things, but the Mars work is all internal capital, and if it is to succeed, will have to stay that way.
“When we have a base on the Moon, when we have something like O’Neill colonies near the Earth, when we have shown that humans can live healthily in space for a long time, then I will believe in trips to Mars.”
Luckily for all of us, settling Mars does not require any one person to “believe” in it. Developing one piece of the Solar System at a time will be a flop. Getting industrial levels of wealth from the Solar System will require even more extensive networks of activity than the world-wide networks that make the continuing industrial revolution possible here on Earth. “Doing the Moon”, and then “Doing Space Colonies”, and then “Doing Mars” will see each of them alone collapse before the next gets built. Only with a highly productive network taking advantage, with intelligent insight, of many nodes in the Solar System, will we see success.
I didn’t say stop at the Moon or with an O’Neill colony or two. I said learn to live in space before heading out to Mars and beyond.
Mars — and for that matter — all other places in the Solar System are not really friendly to our kind of life. The Mars of science fiction does not exist in our system.
When European pioneers started out on their voyages of discovery, they were going to places that were, in many important ways, like home. There were dangers to be sure. But the Americas had millions of human beings living there long before any European voyages arrived. And those voyages were dangerous — but not nearly as problematical as heading off to Mars.
That’s why I am not supportive of sending humans to Mars in 20 years. We are just learning our way around space — and we have much to learn.
Elon Musk comes off as some sort of fanatic. He apparently works 100 hours a week and demands 80 hours of work a week from his workforce. Believe it or not, that is actually counterproductive in the long run (think months and years).
Elon Musk comes off as some sort of fanatic. He apparently works 100 hours a week and demands 80 hours of work a week from his workforce. Believe it or not, that is actually counterproductive in the long run (think months and years).
It’s the Silicon Valley startup culture. I also think it’s a bad idea but it’s the kind of thing kids who don’t know better end up doing. Which is fine I guess but I do not want to work in a place like that.
As for your other comment some of the places which were settled had no prior human presence there. Lots of formerly uninhabited islands in the middle of the ocean like Bermuda. If you look at the history of the occupation of such islands it always starts with a) finding a source of water, b) releasing livestock to grow in the island.
We need the space equivalent of goats and pigs to live off the fat of the land before actual settlement begins.