28 thoughts on “Trumpcare”

  1. Fantastic. I’d heard of Warren’s speech, but this video inspired me to look it up. She is perhaps the best example of the evil of the left’s arguments. She’s dangerous because people buy her crap, thinking it actually makes sense. “…and you didn’t build that.”

    However, it’s not just the left. Fundamentally the right agrees with much of the same crap.

    TANSTAAFL

    You’re a heartless bastard if you don’t believe their ‘truth.’

    The irony of it all is the left’s policies have two dependable results. More suffering. More death.

    Too bad the right can’t man up.

    1. The right is manning up. Unfortunately that does not include the Republican Party whose leaders have confirmed themselves fully in the pockets of the Democrats. There are going to have to be a lot of poser Republicans primaried to help drain the swamp. Did you read Dr. Pournelle’s latest on this? Brilliant man.

      1. He absolutely is brilliant, but his entire post is summed up in one sentence…

        …the Democrats hold fewer national and state offices than ever before, but they continue to rule.

        That is not manning up.

        People voted for Trump. Man up would acknowledge that support exists and offers a counter to loud mouth mobs.

        Republicans can’t rule … They’re a collection of losers whose jobs were safer when they were in the opposition

        IOW, they are not representatives at all. It’s purely about their own self interest. They are the con men; not Trump, who has put himself out there and needs support.

        Trump’s mouth is not his worst enemy, the people have his back, but lead from behind is everybody else’s mantra.

        The only good news is the success the media refuses to talk about.

        In a world of reason the phony Russia scandal would not be in the news. Have the dems got anything else? The president has a conflict of interest because he is a businessman?

        Meanwhile, the dems know how to satisfy their interests at our expense and get away with it for decades even after being exposed.

        Our country is completely broken because the ‘adults’ in charge refuse to fix it.

        America is Wiley Coyote looking down after running past the cliff edge. It ain’t funny.

  2. “Meanwhile, the dems know how to satisfy their interests at our expense and get away with it for decades even after being exposed.”

    The dems don’t know anything…except the fact that the MSM will cover for them and run interference and not look to deeply into their lies.

    Things might be changing though.

  3. From Pournelle:
    “. They’re a collection of losers whose jobs were safer when they were in the opposition and they could blame national misrule on someone else. They could say “We don’t control the House”. When they got that, they could say “We don’t have a majority in the Senate.” When that resulted in nothing much about slowing the train to national disaster, they could say “We don’t have the President.” When they nominated and elected a President, they could say “We don’t have enough of the Senate.” Clearly that is fudge, because the rumor is they can’t even muster a majority vote to obliterate Obamacare, a provable national disaster. ”

    We have trained the GOP to do that. Whenever they said they don’t have enough of the government, we would give them more.

    And we continued to give them what they wanted all through both houses of congress and the Presidency.

    What POSSIBLE rationale would they have for stopping now?

    They have to be given one. Their bluff has to be called and the worst of the RINO’s have to start getting primaried into political oblivion.

    #1 on the Political Hit Parade is McCain – I saw him on the news yesterday saying it’s now time to work with the Dems to come up with a plan.

    That is insane.

    1. Gregg, I’m going to channel arguments I hear from rightwing commenters: Regarding McCain, are a resident of Arizona? If not, perhaps the voters of Arizona know what they need better than you know what they need. And perhaps McCain knows his constituents’ needs better than you do.

      And to address your more general point about the GOP, perhaps the GOP is non-monolithic. And if you pay attention to arguments in favor of the electoral college, and in favor of representing the most populated states states with only as many senators as much less populated states, it is good (and certainly no surprise) that the GOP is non-monolithic.

      1. ” If not, perhaps the voters of Arizona know what they need better than you know what they need. And perhaps McCain knows his constituents’ needs better than you do. ”

        And perhaps incumbencies give far too many advantages to the incumbent. And perhaps there should be term limits for Congress-people.

        “it is good (and certainly no surprise) that the GOP is non-monolithic.”

        Your application of monolithism clearly shows you never read posts here because if you did, you would have read the several dozens of posts where I said there’s no difference between a lot of the GOP and the Dems: both sides are protecting their rice bowls and care not about YOU or your rights.

        The monolithism is in that sector of Congress-critters who care more about retaining power and perks than they do serving the Constitution and protecting your rights. And that block is by far the lion’s share of Congress.

        “And if you pay attention to arguments in favor of the electoral college, …..”

        You are insolent to the point of being a laughingstock:

        No one has supported the Electoral College more than I, here on this blog and elsewhere.

      2. I don’t understand how McCain survived the Keating 5 and DeConcini didn’t? I don’t know anybody in AZ that likes McCain.

        He has been such an embarrassment for so long. He really showed how clueless he is when Palin out shined him. He could never figure out why she was more popular.

    2. I remember the relief I felt when McCain won the GOP nomination in 2008. I remember liking McCain even better in when he was running for the nomination in 2000. McCain’s interest is working with Democrats is pretty longstanding and yet he keeps getting re-elected. Why is that?

      1. The reason you like republicans who work for democrats is because you always get your way. When republicans stand up for their own principles, your side calls them obstructionists, racists, sexists, homophobes….

        1. My fantasy: having a civilized conversation with Barry Goldwater and John McCain after the two of them asked you to leave the room.

          1. It will never happen, just like the democrats refused to listen to republicans over Obamacare.

            It’s called principles. I’m really sorry you don’t understand what those are. For once you might read the Constitution, the Declaration and the Northwest Ordinance to understand the principles I’m talking about. Also try taking a course on the Constitution from Hillsdale. It’s free, and you might stop “rolling your eyes” at the statements made in Rand’s comment section.

          2. Jon I recommend The Conscience of A Conservative by Senator Barry Goldwater. The 2007 edition has a praise-filled afterword by Robert F Kennedy Jr, on the subject of principles.

          3. Okay, don’t read the documents on which Goldwater based his ideas. Continue to “roll your eyes” when we speak of them.

      2. Bob-1 the problem with go along to get along is that compromise is one sided. Democrats propose some asinine level of spending and the Republicans who want a net spending cut compromise on a slightly less insane increase in spending. Spending still goes up, never down. That isn’t a true compromise.

        This scenario plays out on every single issue.

        Where are the Democrats who work with Republicans? No where. Civility and compromise are one way streets. Obama said, “I won.” and used the racist attack of telling Republicans its their turn to sit in the back seat. This act of scapegoating and racial punishment was cheered by Democrats.

        So where are the Democrats can work with Republicans when their leadership is filled with people who view punishing Republicans, the party that freed the slaves, as racial justice and whose primary mode is the most uncivil behavior?

        How can there be a good faith meeting of the minds when Democrats think everyone else are NAZI who want to kill women, children, the elderly, anyone who looks different that Democrat’s stereotype of Republicans, and the planet itself?

        It is pretty insane that Democrats have a case of the how dare yous.

        1. Democrats never care about fixing the VA when it poorly treats are veterans and leaves them to die. You don’t see Democrats writing essays about how NHS is wrong in blocking parents from paying for treatment for their baby. These are already systems that represent their reported democratic ideals, and they are killing people. Yet they tell us, how dare yous.

  4. “I remember the relief I felt when McCain won the GOP nomination in 2008. I remember liking McCain even better in when he was running for the nomination in 2000. ”

    And actual conservatives know McCain for the RINO he is. For example he is and always has been heavily for gun control.
    No wonder you like him.

    “McCain’s interest is working with Democrats is pretty longstanding and yet he keeps getting re-elected. Why is that?”

    Power of the incumbent. Note that the power of the incumbent means they have leverage that a newbie does not have and can bring home more bacon, among other things.

    Also, before Obama, The State of Arizona could pretty much run their own lives and McCain had almost zero impact on them.

    When Obama showed up, all of a sudden, Arizona could not even enforce Federal Law – the Fed’s prevented that!

    And McCain didn’t lift a finger to stop it.

    If Arizonans want that, they sure can vote for him. That doesn’t mean Conservatives don’t want to see him primaried. If Conservatives can primary him out of office, they the Arizonans may not have wanted him badly enough.

    1. “Also, before Obama, The State of Arizona could pretty much run their own lives ”

      Barry Goldwater thought otherwise. In your heart, you know he’s right.

  5. Bob-1 write:

    “I’m going to channel arguments I hear from rightwing commenters: ”

    Instead of channeling arguments someone else has made, why don’t you come up with one of your own?

    “Regarding McCain, are a resident of Arizona? If not, perhaps the voters of Arizona know what they need better than you know what they need. ”

    So just exactly what are yuo saying here Bob:

    1. That I’m not allowe3d an opinion on McCain?

    2. That I’m not allowed to want him primaried?

    3. That I oughtn’t send money to his opponent?

    4. That there aren’t conservatives in Arizona?

    5. That those conservatives might not be fed up with McCain trying to work with the Dems and sell them out and therefore want to primary him?

    6. That Conservatives should not make the case to Arizonan’s regarding what McCain does and does not do for them?

    Tell us, Bob just what are you trying to say?

    “And perhaps McCain knows his constituents’ needs better than you do. ”

    And perhaps his constiuents weren’t energized enough to toss him but now that they see the power of Direct opposition as demonstrated by Trump that they might decide enough is enough.

  6. Bob,

    I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.
    -Barry Goldwater (1964 Republican Convention Acceptance Speech)

    1. Goldwater looked forward to debating Kennedy and the respect the two had for each other was genuine.

      You do realize that the last year has been the DNC organizing violence and insanely hateful rhetoric from coast to coast? Just look at Warren in the video. Is she engaging in good faith debate?

      You did watch the hilarious video right?

      Republicans protest and they pick up the trash left by Democrat protesters. Republicans protest a Starbucks and they all buy coffee. Republicans have a lot of respect for other people, for private property, for businesses, and for public spaces.

      When you toss out quotes about being respectful, you are giving them to the wrong audience. You need to be evangelizing Democrats with this message. Not too long ago, a Democrat almost mass assassinated a bunch of congresspeople. Every week there are Democrat organized riots and random acts of political violence. The leaders of the DNC organize, fund, and cheer this behavior on.

      So please take your message of respectful debate to the people who desperately need to hear it.

  7. It is difficult to rer=tract a give-away once people started getting it. After all the people made their economic decisions based upon what the facts on the ground were. And for now the facts on hte ground are that they are getting freebies.

    So the GOP needs to get really smart and figure out a way to phase out freebies with a minimum of pain and phase in market reforms.

    I wonder what happened to Tom Price’s plan?

  8. Bob loves to ignore our arguments and just throw a link our way as a lazy form of argument.

    For some reason, this site won’t post my comments if they have a link, so Bob, just google Constitution 101 and Hillsdale. It’s a free course.

    1. “Bob loves to ignore our arguments and just throw a link our way as a lazy form of argument.”

      That’s how he earned the name “Sidetrack Bob.”

  9. “The 2007 edition has a praise-filled afterword by Robert F Kennedy Jr, on the subject of principles.”

    That should be a national treasure: a statist lecturing us on the principles of an anti-statist (or at least Goldwater was when he wrote “‘Conscience ”

    “I like Goldwater now because he’s dead and can’t threaten the Hive. When he was alive and running for president, he was a dangerous lunatic who wanted to nuke little girls picking daisies, but now that he’s pushing up daisies, I’m okay with him, because the only good pro-freedom, anti-statist Republican is a dead pro-freedom, anti-statist Republican.”

    What editor, I wonder, putting into print a new edition of “Conscience,.” decided, “Hey, you know who should write an afterword to this? Bobby Kennedy Jr.! He’s an even bigger State-f*cker than his old man! That’ll be a hoot! Who could we get to do a foreword to a new edition of Milton Friedman’s “Capitalism and Freedom”? Bernie Sanders?”

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