OK, when we last left our hero, his unclegreat-uncle had liberated AuschwitzBuchenwald while in the army. Or did he?

His only Great Uncle is Charles W. Payne. It at least appears that no one by that name from Kansas served in the Army during WWII.

Charles W. Payne of Kansas, with a similar birth era, served in the Navy during WWII.

What Obama’s campaign released via first link above states he served in the Infantry. I assume it’s possible the records are wrong, or he changed branches. But I’m unaware of that as a standard practice. Perhaps it happened during WWII for manpower reasons? Otherwise, Obama’s Great Uncle would seem to have done most of his marching and liberating while at sea.

Hey, maybe the story is fake, but accurate.

You know, if I were an Obama staffer, I’d start fact checking everything he says, to try to stay ahead of the blogosphere. If this turns out to be true, that press release that the campaign put out yesterday is going to be pretty embarrassing.

[Update a few minutes later]

There’s no “Charles W. Payne” listed as having served in the 89th Infantry Division. The closest it comes is a Pfc “C. T. Payne,” which even if it’s a Charles, has the wrong middle initial.

I think that yesterday’s press release has to be considered non-operative at this point.

[Update a few minutes later]

More at The Virginian, which notes that Buchenwald was a slave labor camp, not a Jewish extermination site, so it’s less convenient than Auschwitz for political purposes:

what we appear to have is something that’s commonly known as “resume inflation.” And that’s what you get when you have a man who has no real experience. When what you have is an empty suit who is trying to pretend that there is substance there.

But what was the point of the fable? The point was really to try to connect with the American people by telling them how callous the government is about the emotional problems of its soldiers. The “uncle” is supposed to have spent six months in the attic, having experienced the sights he encountered in the liberation of Ohrdruf, an experience that may have lasted less than three hours.

The punch line is that Obama will make sure that America’s fighting men and will get all the mental care they deserve.

That’s it. That’s the punch line. That’s the reason for the fable. That’s what American fighting men are good for: a story line for a health care pitch. And the combat vet is cast in the eternal role that the Liberals have created for him: the crazy uncle in the attic. Just wait until Barack discovers another uncle whose wartime experiences drove him to drink and living in the street when he isn’t shooting up a beer hall on Saturday nights.

Yes, that’s what bothers me about this story, even if it’s true. As is usually the case with Democrats, they seem unable to talk about the military without slandering them or making them out to be victims.

[Early afternoon update]

It’s possible that the genealogy site linked by Dan Riehl has the middle initial wrong. If you assume that the middle initial wasn’t “W,” there actually were five Charles Paynes in the army from Kansas: a Charles A, a Charles E, a Charles J, and two Charles Ls (the second one is a Charlie rather than Charles). So it’s possible that it’s one of them. The problem remains, though, that we don’t have any record of a Charles Payne in the 89th, and the only potential candidate (C. T. Payne) doesn’t have any of those middle initials.

[Update a few minutes later]

Heh. Here is a map that might explain it.

[Mid-afternoon update]

OK, the issue seems to be resolved, assuming we can take the word of the proprietors at the 89th Division web site:

Concerning the service of Mr. Charles Payne: C.T. Payne was a soldier in the 89th Infantry Division. He served in the 355th Infantry Regiment, Company K. The 355th Infantry Regiment was the unit to liberate Ohrdruf. Mr. Payne was there.

But we still don’t know why his middle name is “T” there, and “W” at the genealogy site. Not that it matters.

[Update a few minutes later]

The statement is a little Clintonesque. It says that Charles Payne was there, but it doesn’t say that it’s the Charles Payne who is Obama’s great uncle. The only reason that I’m suspicious is because of this. They seem to be Bush deranged.

[Late evening update]

I think that it’s clear that Obama’s great-uncle did have a role in liberating Buchenwald. I have a follow-up post here.

Obama doesn’t get off clean.

Thanks to a link from one of my Obama-admiring commenters (thank you, Robert), we learn that Obama’s tales of Americans liberating Auschwitz didn’t start this weekend. He was telling similar stories about his grandfather back in 2002, in his now-famous Iraq speech, which I’d never previously read:

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka.

The first troops to enter those two camps (in Poland) were Soviet troops, so unless Patton was leading them, this can’t be true.

As I noted in comments, you’d think that if he’s going to be telling these kinds of stories, he’d at least attempt to make them plausible (e.g., Dachau and Buchenwald). My guess is that he’s unfamiliar with the actual history of the war, and just invoked two of the most notorious camp names to make his point. Whether his grandfather (or “uncle”) actually told him tales of concentration camps will probably never be known.

It’s interesting that no one has ever noticed this historical discrepancy before, considering how such a big deal has been made of that speech. This should also knock the legs out from under arguments from the Obama camp that he didn’t really say “Auschwitz,” and that it was CBS and other news sources putting the word in his mouth.

My guess? He’s just making this stuff up. Because it sounds good to the ignorant rubes, and he’s a good speechifier. It’s all part of that “new politics” we’ve heard so much about.

[Update a couple minutes later]

I’m hearing a report on Fox News, where they have video of his uncle story. Yes, he really said that he liberated Auschwitz, and then hid in the attic for six months.

[Another update]

OK, in Obama days, “the next day” means over half a year later in June of 1942. Just another “mistake,” I’m sure.

[Update on Wednesday morning]

I have a follow-up post. It turns out that he may not even have been in the army at all.

Thanks to a link from one of my Obama-admiring commenters (thank you, Robert), we learn that Obama’s tales of Americans liberating Auschwitz didn’t start this weekend. He was telling similar stories about his grandfather back in 2002, in his now-famous Iraq speech, which I’d never previously read:

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka.

The first troops to enter those two camps (in Poland) were Soviet troops, so unless Patton was leading them, this can’t be true.

As I noted in comments, you’d think that if he’s going to be telling these kinds of stories, he’d at least attempt to make them plausible (e.g., Dachau and Buchenwald). My guess is that he’s unfamiliar with the actual history of the war, and just invoked two of the most notorious camp names to make his point. Whether his grandfather (or “uncle”) actually told him tales of concentration camps will probably never be known.

It’s interesting that no one has ever noticed this historical discrepancy before, considering how such a big deal has been made of that speech. This should also knock the legs out from under arguments from the Obama camp that he didn’t really say “Auschwitz,” and that it was CBS and other news sources putting the word in his mouth.

My guess? He’s just making this stuff up. Because it sounds good to the ignorant rubes, and he’s a good speechifier. It’s all part of that “new politics” we’ve heard so much about.

[Update a couple minutes later]

I’m hearing a report on Fox News, where they have video of his uncle story. Yes, he really said that he liberated Auschwitz, and then hid in the attic for six months.

[Another update]

OK, in Obama days, “the next day” means over half a year later in June of 1942. Just another “mistake,” I’m sure.

[Update on Wednesday morning]

I have a follow-up post. It turns out that he may not even have been in the army at all.

Thanks to a link from one of my Obama-admiring commenters (thank you, Robert), we learn that Obama’s tales of Americans liberating Auschwitz didn’t start this weekend. He was telling similar stories about his grandfather back in 2002, in his now-famous Iraq speech, which I’d never previously read:

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka.

The first troops to enter those two camps (in Poland) were Soviet troops, so unless Patton was leading them, this can’t be true.

As I noted in comments, you’d think that if he’s going to be telling these kinds of stories, he’d at least attempt to make them plausible (e.g., Dachau and Buchenwald). My guess is that he’s unfamiliar with the actual history of the war, and just invoked two of the most notorious camp names to make his point. Whether his grandfather (or “uncle”) actually told him tales of concentration camps will probably never be known.

It’s interesting that no one has ever noticed this historical discrepancy before, considering how such a big deal has been made of that speech. This should also knock the legs out from under arguments from the Obama camp that he didn’t really say “Auschwitz,” and that it was CBS and other news sources putting the word in his mouth.

My guess? He’s just making this stuff up. Because it sounds good to the ignorant rubes, and he’s a good speechifier. It’s all part of that “new politics” we’ve heard so much about.

[Update a couple minutes later]

I’m hearing a report on Fox News, where they have video of his uncle story. Yes, he really said that he liberated Auschwitz, and then hid in the attic for six months.

[Another update]

OK, in Obama days, “the next day” means over half a year later in June of 1942. Just another “mistake,” I’m sure.

[Update on Wednesday morning]

I have a follow-up post. It turns out that he may not even have been in the army at all.

I’m listening to the young (or maybe not so young) fascists disrupting McCain’s speech in Denver on nuclear proliferation, with chants of “Endless War! Endless War!” They are being drowned out by the Senator’s supporters chanting “John McCain, John McCain.”

OK, whether or not they’re fascists is just a guess, but I think it’s a pretty safe one. Though it’s probably unfair to characterize them as Black Shirts–they were mostly ex-military.

[Update in the later afternoon]

Jim Geraghty agrees with me:

At this point, noisy protesters disrupting a McCain speech are basically advertising, “I am incapable of letting those I disagree with express their views in public; I am uncomfortable with free expression and at heart a fascist, as I do not believe opposing viewpoints should be heard.”

He thinks that they were chanting “Stop this war,” not “Endless War.” That could be.

I think that if you look in the dictionary under “sanctimonious twit,” you’ll see a picture of this guy. I found the link in comments at this post which describes the sad state to which the Harvard Law Review has fallen (at least, I’m assuming that it was once much better).

Boy, as a commenter said, I’m sure glad that people associated with it don’t go into politics…

[Update a few minutes later]

Geez. He’s continuing to defend the stupid essay on a blog dedicated to the subject.

As someone else at Volokh’s place said, why does he have both kidneys? He’s guilty of murder because he hasn’t donated one.