There’s nothing I enjoy more than being lectured about being un-American by a Canadian, because I don’t support a taxpayer bailout of the UAW.
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There’s nothing I enjoy more than being lectured about being un-American by a Canadian, because I don’t support a taxpayer bailout of the UAW.
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I’m sorry but naturalized citizens are just as American as any other American. I do not agree with Granholm that the vote was un-American; I’m with you on that. Un-Michigan, maybe, but not un-American. But she has just as much authority to say what is un-American as any of us.
For that matter, even if she weren’t an American, her opinion shouldn’t be dismissed just for that reason. Even if she had never met an American nor been within a thousand miles of America, she might still have something important to say. A country with true self-respect is a country that can take outside advice.
And fortunately, our President-elect understands that.
Oh, so a naturalized citizen of any country can say they are American? This is a profound idea on so many levels….profoundly stupid.
Can we turn that on its head and I can do the same for, oh, let’s say Uganda. I’m gonna go around the rest of the day and deem things I disapprove off as being, “oh so not very Ugandan like…”
Jim, unfortunately words mean things. You can’t just make this shit up as you go along and expect anyone to take you seriously.
Oh, so a naturalized citizen of any country can say they are American?
No, naturalized citizens of the United States, such as Governor Granholm, can say that they are Americans.
If only Jim Harris’s opinion of Freeman Dyson were as high as his opinion of Jennifer Granholm.
At least naturalized citizens have passed a minimal test on the American political system and Constitution, which probably half of the natural-born citizens couldn’t pass.
Unfortunately Granholm dosn’t seem to have understood any of it.
If only Jim Harris’s opinion of Freeman Dyson were as high as his opinion of Jennifer Granholm.
I have a very high opinion of Freeman Dyson, higher than that of Jennifer Granholm although I respect her too. I just happen to disagree with both of them on today’s issues.
Unfortunately Granholm dosn’t seem to have understood any of it.
We’re all wrong now and then and that’s not remotely the same as no understanding.
Granholm’s exaggeration about the bailout is not remotely at the same level as what Allen West did, for example. West, who got far too many votes in his run for Congress although he did lose, subjected an Iraqi policeman to a mock execution. It truly is deeply un-American to threaten to kill and pretend to kill someone who is neither a condemned criminal nor a combat enemy. The jurisdiction of the Constitution is a little unclear in this case, but certainly it was odious to the spirit of the Declaration of Independence, as well as a violation of American law. That really should count as not understanding American ideals at all.
Jim bring up the Official Post- 9/11 Definition of Un-American: Doing what a Democrat disapproves of.
Thanks, Jim.
I’m waiting for the Gov to say her policies are part of the reason her state is as broke as Zimbabwe but that will never happen. She should stand up and say “We’re all Socialists now.”
Yes Jim, the rest of world is doing so well to give us advice. The EU and the UN are bastions of productivity and common sense. I’m sure Putin and the Chicoms have some great advice for us.
Jim, precisely who the hell are you to say that any candidate got “too many” votes, in any election, win or lose? A man’s vote is sacred, something between him and the polls. You may not agree with the conclusion a voter comes to, you may not even like the conclusion a voter comes to, but that vote is emphatically NOT yours. “All of us are smarter on policy than any of us.” And that is the point of a voting democracy; We who pull the lever vote however we damn well please, with a clear conscience that we did what we individually thought best in the end. Else we ought to just declare the ball game done, and call it for the most bloody-minded tyrant we can find.
Bill, I know that’s sarc, but be careful what you wish for…
Doing what a Democrat disapproves of.
It’s certainly not true that only Democrats disapprove of mock executions. When the Army found out what Allen West did, they prepared to court-martial him. In the end he took a plea bargain in which he was fined $5,000 and resigned from the military. Now, this plea bargain was a slap on the wrist, because the criminal penalty for what he admitted doing is up to 11 years in prison. But certainly the Army does not approve of what Allen West did.
A man’s vote is sacred
No, a man’s right to vote is sacred. His actual decision could be good or it could stink. Allen West got too many votes just like David Duke got too many votes. After all, David Duke may be a racist, but he isn’t a criminal.
And to return to the original point, Jennifer Granholm is not the kind of un-American politician who truly does not understand American ideals; she’s not like Allen West and David Duke.
The EU and the UN are bastions of productivity and common sense.
See, you’re making the point, Bill. The #1 reason that a man can’t take advice is that he sees it as losing face. Instead of, “I may or may not agree with you, but at least I’ll listen”, it’s “You think that I need your advice, so you think that you’re BETTER than me!”
Just because a country might have good advice for America on this or that question, that does not mean that that country is better than America. Americans with true respect for themselves and for our nation realize this. And fortunately the President elect is one of them.
Be careful with matches around that strawman, Jim. I take advice from people I trust and respect all the time. I am unwilling to take it from people who aren’t doing any better at what I’m doing and arguably doing it worse. That’s not losing face, it’s common sense.
I am unwilling to take it from people who aren’t doing any better at what I’m doing and arguably doing it worse.
Certainly there are a number of things that some countries are doing better than the United States, and on those grounds the US could stand to take some advice. For instance, since Granholm was born in Canada, let’s take that country. The homicide rate in Canada is less than 1/3 of that in the United States. So maybe they’re doing something right.
But even when the US really is better than other countries at something — for instance we clearly have the best university system in the world — it makes no sense to say, therefore we shouldn’t take outside advice. Michael Phelps is the best 200-meter swimmer in the world, and he’s certainly a far better swimmer than his coach Bob Bowman. Does that mean that he shouldn’t take advice and shouldn’t have a coach?
Canada is a country wih a fairly homogeneous population a tenth of ours in roughly the same area(Canada is larger). Of course they have a lower murder rate.
Thank you for proving MY point. Bowman is repected coach with a proven track record. Phelps would be stupid to not listen to him and really stupid to listen to you or me.
Canada is a country wih a fairly homogeneous population a tenth of ours in roughly the same area (Canada is larger). Of course they have a lower murder rate.
All right if you want to argue on those terms, Canada’s population is less homogeneous and more urban than that of Idaho, but Idaho has a higher homicide rate. And Canada’s population is not particularly more homogeneous than that of the US; in fact their immigration rate is higher.
Or at the other end, there has been a lot of talk of how the Muslims in France can’t be assimilated, but France has a lower homicide rate than the US too.
Bowman is repected coach with a proven track record.
Oh, sure, he’s a respected COACH, but a coach just gives advice, he doesn’t perform himself. In your world there wouldn’t be any coaches, other than athletes who can perform better than their clients.
Jim, when you say that a man’s right to vote is sacred, but that the vote itself is not, what you are saying is “You can vote however you want, so long as it’s how I want.” My respect for Mr. S and his site prohibits me from telling you in precise language what I think of that notion.
Sir, what you propose is the textbook definition of a tyranny. Sic semper tyrannis.
Jim, when you say that a man’s right to vote is sacred, but that the vote itself is not, what you are saying is “You can vote however you want, so long as it’s how I want.”
No, you’re not grasping the difference between criticizing a vote and preventing it. It’s your right to vote for whoever you want, but the outcome may or may not deserve criticism.
Think of it like movie criticism. Making a movie is just as much your right as voting. But say that you made a stupid movie like that new lemon with Keanu Reeves. Then I could say, “That’s the worst movie of the year!” That would be criticism, but it would NOT be censorship.
Allen West was the worst candidate of the year just like “The Day the Earth Stood Still” was the worst movie of the year. Too many people voted for West just like too many people will go see this movie. But it’s still your right to do either one or both of these dumb things.
Jim, you are absolutely deranged. YOU said we should listen to other countries. I said they aren’t any better off than us so why listen to them. YOU throw out strawmen and try to put words in my mouth. BTW 5 other states have lower murder rates than Idaho and Bowman swam at FSU before he became a coach.
See, Jim, the difference is that I don’t think of myself as some sort of “higher authority” on any subject, policy or otherwise. I can present my reasons for how I aim to vote beforehand, but after the polls close and things are tallied up, it doesn’t help anyone to criticise the vote. Criticising policies and choices made by the winner’s one thing, but harping on the loser a month and a half after he loses would just make me look petty, regardless of whether I liked him as a candidate or not.
See, Jim, the difference is that I don’t think of myself as some sort of “higher authority” on any subject, policy or otherwise.
You don’t have to be Jesus Himself to know that mock execution is wrong. All I’m saying is that most of the voters of Florida District 22 probably just didn’t know that that’s what Allen West did. And maybe some of them knew but didn’t grasp the significance of his crime. For instance, they may have thought that West’s victim was some kind of hardened terrorist; but he wasn’t.