34 thoughts on “The Ancient War”

  1. I am not surprised dogs gave us an advantage. They have been humanity’s partner for thousands of years and that partnership will continue as we journey to the stars.

      1. Companionship and a backup source of meat (like on many Artic and Antartic expeditions).

      2. Putting Fido in a space suit and taking outside to poop just isn’t going to work.

    1. The same roles of protection, support and companion ship they have done so well for thousands of years. Or do you folks only see space settlement consisting of tin cans like the ISS? Or Zurbin’s vision of Mars Direct?

      1. I don’t see them doing much hunting and not really sure how they deal with micro gravity.

        I can see them as a safety device sniffing out things that are not supposed to be there and picking up chicks.

        1. Wodun,

          Again, you are thinking of tin cans with a handful of scientists, not space settlements.

  2. Allamagoosa, Offog.

    There has to be a list of star travelling dogs on the net. I heard that the Star Trek with the Quantum Leap guy had a dog.

          1. Titus,

            Actually there was outrage at the time. But I guess history isn’t your strong point…

            http://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/animals/laika.html

            [[[ Countless Americans bristled at Soviet inhumanity.]]]

            [[[While the debate over animal experimentation still rages, the fading of the Cold War tempered at least one prominent voice. Speaking of Laika in 1989, Gazenko declared: “Work with animals is a source of suffering to all of us. . . . The more time passes, the more I’m sorry about it. We shouldn’t have done it.”]]]

            Dr. Gazenko was the Russian researcher in charge of the program.

            BTW I haven’t heard any such apology from Gov. Romney. Or do you have a link to one 🙂

          2. Lanny Davis is full of it. He didn’t demonstrate that the ride was unsafe.

            (At least Seamus turned out better than Mary Jo Kopechne.)

            What law was broken?

            Jenna raises a good point:

            “Any dog lover who condemns his or her precious pooch to travel in the confines of an airline’s baggage compartment with no water, food, heat or air conditioning is in no position to criticize the Romney family’s choice of travel arrangements for Seamus. At least he wasn’t at risk to slowly suffocate to death from loss of air pressure in his kennel atop the family auto.”

            http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/296536/carney-says-its-iromneyi-whos-doghouse-daniel-foster#comment-bar

  3. I think we should get the UN to call for humans to give Europe back to the Neanderthals…

  4. There were Neanderthals in Israel too… I’m sure the UN would rather start with that!

  5. Did anyone else notice that the article was illustrated with a photo of a dog and a homo sapiens with a shotgun? No wonder the Neanderthals lost. All they had were spears.

  6. The Neanderthals had spears? I thought spears were advanced tech, especially making the spear points. Weren’t those dudes restricted to clubs?

    1. Neanderthal had spears, there is some question as to whether they were throwing spears or thrusting spears.

      1. The spear-thrower, or atlatl, seems to have been an invention of Homo Sapiens.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spear-thrower

        The Neanderthal spear was certainly used as a thrusting weapon. They may also have thrown it (they were very muscular and powerfully built), but a spear thrown by itself would not have had the speed, range, and force as a spear thrown with the aid of an atlatl.

      2. Agreed. Also, I think I’d read that the Neanderthal spear points were more time-consuming to knap than the Cro-Magnon ones, as well as requiring more flint. So maybe they’d be less likely to be tied to a stick and thrown away.

        I don’t think there’s any unambiguous evidence of Neanderthal arrow heads or dart heads, but there is some evidence that Neanderthal ate birds. That might imply some sort of projectile weapon.

  7. Daver,

    Yes, here is a good article on their weapons tech.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28663444/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/neanderthals-lacked-projectile-weapons/

    Being able to use a stand off weapon is always nice, especially after the dogs points out of their hiding place, just as they did for Saddam Hussein, his sons and Bin Ladin.

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3562677/Fearless-four-legged-war-hero.html

    Yes, dogs really do give you an edge in a war…

    Incidentally another of Robert Heinlein’s predictions has come true as the K-9’s in Starship Troopers also beamed pictures when used as scouts.

    1. It certainly seems reasonable that Neanderthal musculature would prevent them from being any good at throwing over a distance. Maybe that would lead to some sort of intellectual blindspot that would prevent them from inventing the bow and arrow or slings. There is some evidence that they ate small animals and birds, so they likely had some sort of projectile weapon (although there’s no way to rule out trapping)

    2. I was trying to think of dogs in Heinlein stories, but managed to forget about those in Starship Troopers. It seems like there should be more, but I’m blanking on them.

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