22 thoughts on “The Apology Culture”

  1. In the field manual for dealing with social justice warriors, “SJWs Always Lie”, one of the first things you don’t do when under attack is apologize.

    No matter how sincere or abject your apology, the SJW will crucify you upon your own apology. Apologies are a major blunder 99% of the time, even with your spouse.

  2. I think people should apologize whenever they feel they’ve made a mistake or when they believe they may have done something wrong, and not strategize about it, and not be stingy about it. I don’t understand why anyone would counsel against a sincere apology. If you fear that apologizing shows weakness, read some of these links: https://www.google.com/search?q=the+strong+man+apologizes

    1. Again, you never apologize to SJWs. It brings them in like sharks in a feeding frenzy.

      If they’re going to act like crazed wild animals, no-one is going to treat them as anything else.

      Interestingly, the article itself says:

      “Kids come in for special advice on apologizing, apparently because children aren’t good at it. They tend to see saying sorry as a sign of weakness and need gently to be broken of that idea.”

      Which explains a lot. The modern left are children who never grew up.

    2. “I don’t understand why anyone would counsel against a sincere apology.” Except most apologies aren’t sincere because the person apologized either didn’t do what they’re apologizing for, or did it but “it” is something that 99% people outside of online Twitter jobs wouldn’t consider wrong. Although I would say one danger of sincere apologies in the modern era is lawyers. If you admit wrongdoing then you now have a possibility of someone coming after you for a big lawsuit.

      1. Bombloader,

        Doctors, at least, whose mistakes might matter the most, ought to be sincere for two reasons:

        First: It has been found that patients are less likely to file medical malpractice lawsuits when their doctor apologizes.
        Here’s the first link I found supporting that claim – there are probably better sources I could find if you doubt that it is is true.
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15346804

        Second: Many states have passed “apology laws” which state that a doctor’s apology can’t be held against them in court.

        1. The apologies demanded by the screeching left are nothing but the first step of self-criticism in the Marxist re-education process. Right or wrong or sincerity have nothing to do with it. Nor does it appeal to the feelings of the offended. It is simply a hammer to mind-control the sheeple through fear of ostracism.

        2. Bob, you cannot imagine our utter indifference to your completely asinine and irrelevant examples to the point of the article. But I guess you will continue to waste your and our time in posting them. Because that’s what you do.

          1. I read the city-journal article that you linked to carefully — all of the paragraphs, not just the political ones; and I read the comments at the city-journal site — all of the comments, not just the predictably political ones. My comments are on-point for that article. I think you are the one who misunderstood the nature of the article.

            Something has gone wrong here, at Transterrestrial Musings. The comments section here used to be more of an intellectual salon, a place where interesting perspectives were shared. Today, most of the regular commenters are gone, and you, Rand, sound more brittle and less able to think and express yourself clearly than you used to. The decline that accompanies aging comes for all of us, but my advice to you is spend a moment thinking a bit about how to age more gracefully.

          2. Today, most of the regular commenters are gone

            My memory is not in alignment with that assertion, care to add some names/handles? Keep in mind you said “most regular commenters” (indicating individual contributors, not volume of comments) and “intellectual salon”, so you might find yourself compelled to apologize if “Jim” is included in your response.

          3. Something has gone wrong here, at Transterrestrial Musings. The comments section here used to be more of an intellectual salon, a place where interesting perspectives were shared. Today, most of the regular commenters are gone, and you, Rand, sound more brittle and less able to think and express yourself clearly than you used to. The decline that accompanies aging comes for all of us, but my advice to you is spend a moment thinking a bit about how to age more gracefully.

            So what’s next, Bob-1? You brought up irrelevant examples and then speak of how someone “sounds” and spin tales of hypothetical people leaving. What’s the next squirrel on the agenda?

            I guess I better apologize for you being such a waste of time. I won’t let my Perl scripts get so out of hand next time. Honest.

    3. With SJW’s, I take the stance that I should not apologize just because my ancestors, who form a long lineage of dominant winners because of their strength and intelligence, oppressed the SJW’s ancestors, who are a nearly infinite sequence of buck-tooth serfs from the shallow end of the gene pool, and who should all have had ‘Loser’ tattooed on their foreheads.

      They are looking to gain status via victimhood, and the simplest thing to do is simply to deny them status by pointing out that victims are losers with a capital L. They might try the white guilt and “unearned privilege” angle, but just reassure them that your privilege was definitely earned on the backs of their ancestors, and that renouncing it would mean all their ancestor’s suffering was in completely in vain.

      Hopefully by that point they’ll be befuddled enough to leave you alone, but if they are trying to renounce their own privilege, just urge them to give all their inheritance money to a deserving black conservative.

    4. People should apologize when they feel sorry. That’s what makes an apology sincere. A ritualistic apology isn’t sincere.

      The author speaks of an apology culture but doesn’t mention the other side, a forgiveness culture. Where does this foegiveness culture come from? Our cultural roots in Christianity. As part of our society works to deconstruct and deligitimize our society, they have shunned forgiveness. Guilt is now applied generationally, to people not responsible for specific acts, by where people live, and also by immutable characteristics, like ethnicity.

      Apologies have been appropriated for the cause and are demanded not because people are sincerely sorry or to allow for forgiveness but to demonstrate fealty of the confessor and superiority of the group that demanded the confession. An apology wont be enough because it is about creating a cult like control over people.

      Once the apology is made, further demands will be made. Enthusiasm hurdles will be placed. This cements control. Its all just weaponized behavioral science.

    5. “Saying, ‘I’m sorry’ is the same as saying, ‘ I apologize.’ Except at a funeral.”

      – Demetri Martin

  3. Compared to Hillary Clinton, Trump has nothing to apologize for doing that she hasn’t done far worse and not offered an apology.

  4. Why would anyone apologize for voting for Trump rather than how some idiot reacts to Trump getting elected? I’m not sorry I voted for Trump. I am sorry that people upset about it tend to be overly emotional, violent, uninformed, anti-American, gullible, and prone to Marxism.

  5. “What’s ironic about this orgy of regret is that the word today means nearly the opposite of what it originally signified. To the Greeks and Romans, an apology (apologia in Greek) was a defense against accusations…. This meaning of apology persisted into the late nineteenth century, when John Henry Cardinal Newman wrote the autobiographical Apologia Pro Vita Sua (Defense of One’s Life). No one is precisely sure when the definition started to change…”

    The original meaning of apology persisted beyond the nineteenth century. In 1940, the great British mathematician G.H. Hardy published an essay entitled A Mathematician’s Apology. Wikipedia sayeth “In the book’s title, Hardy uses the word “apology” in the sense of a formal justification or defence (as in Plato’s Apology of Socrates), not in the sense of a plea for forgiveness.”

      1. Indeed. In current usage, the meaning or connotations of “apologist” and “apology” have diverged.

  6. Bob, we are still here. We are just tired of you and your toxic gamma narcissism. Go away.

    Telling the blog owner that he’s changed and needs to do some introspection – that’s beyond chutzpah and is downright rude. Behavior like this gets people banned on most blogs.

    I don’t expect to see a meaningful apology from the troll however – secret kings are never wrong.

    1. I don’t think Bob-1 has done anything worthy of getting banned. He can be exasperating at time in his efforts to takes the comment section away from the topic but no one is forced to participate, although people do, myself included.

      Was he rude? Sure but rudeness was directed at him too.

      My hope is that one day he will get red pilled.

  7. Never apologize to these scumbags.

    You apologize to people that YOU feel YOU have wronged. Not on command, not when demanded, not as part of a cult’s brainwashing.

    Our willingness to be polite has been abused for far too long. Save it for your friends/family/people who aren’t trying to destroy you.

    1. Indeed. This elevation of the expression of sorrow over the ability to recognize it in oneself is noteworthy. A normal person recognizes a sense of sorrow and instinctively knows there are places and times where expressing it are appropriate or inappropriate. Those of the left live in constant fear that they can’t sense sorrow, that they really don’t know what it is, and as a result are constantly either expressing it themselves or demanding it of others, whether it’s really there or not.

      In addition, the expression of sorrow or remorse is critical in the process of establishing victimhood. Without it there can always be uncertainty. Once the expression is made, the process can continue on to the identification of the victims, and encouraging them to celebrate their victimhood.

      Bob’s example of a physician expressing sorrow over a medical “mistake” is pertinent. He claims there is a monetary reason for it, a capitalistic justification. The logic there is unmistakable. An expression of sorrow is good for business, and no one needs to know if it is genuine or not. So the more of it the better. Follow that logic to it’s obvious conclusion.

      Part of the left’s celebration of all things victim. Celebrate a group of victims, celebrate victims in general, celebrate specific types of victimhood, celebrate victimhood in general.

      I need to get one of those T-shirts that says “I’m sorry you’re so pathetic” on the front and “Not really” on the back.

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