The Election

Well, as we feared, it’s looking like another 2000. But despite Fox’s calling it for Biden, Arizona appears to be still in play. It’s unclear what this means for the Senate race there with the gun-grabbing astronaut. And with the Republicans keeping the Senate, Biden is screwed, regardless, and Schumer’s dreams (and our nightmares) of court and Senate packing are dead.

[Thursday-morning update]

Massive voter fraud in Wisconsin?

[Update a few minutes later]

Yes, the Democrats are trying to steal the election in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

[Update Friday morning]

Milwaukee officials have some explaining to do.

The likely large-scale fraud of 2020 calls way too much attention to itself. If the data I am looking at are correct, there are people on the hard left who may want to get caught. For them, a Biden win overturned by the Supreme Court would offer a whole lot more opportunity for mayhem than they could hope to find with a faltering old liberal as president.

Sadly, he may be right.

[Noon update]

Larry Correia is…upset. To say the least.

[Sunday-morning update]

Some good news may be coming.

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[Update late afternoon]

[Monday-morning update]

Some…interesting…data analysis. I’m adding “Mathematics” to the categories of this post.

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113 thoughts on “The Election”

  1. The Arizona Sharpie incident deserves a special counsel announcement. Normally it could be handled by the FBI, but one reason Trump needs to win this election is to clean house in the FBI.

    1. Gee, it does sound like actual, honest to God voter disenfranchisement, doesn’t it? Once again, Democrats refuse to count black votes.

    2. I’m not sure the sharpie thing is the real deal. Other people were posting about using sharpies in other states and had votes counted. Would the machines in AZ really not be able to read them?

    3. The Sharpie thing is, of course, total BS. Sharpies are preferred for these voting machines because the ink dries very quickly and doesn’t smear on the machines’ glass.

      You all should go to politifact.com and read the debunkings of these various flavors of nonsense. And do please try to be less gullible, mkay?

  2. It could be a case where it was discovered a while back that Sharpies would cause ballots to be spoilt. Then, instead of spreading the word to every district, those who made this discovery made sure only the “right” people were told– those who needed to make sure that Dem ballots didn’t get spoilt this way, and those who needed to make sure GOP areas used Sharpies without knowing the problem. Maybe be even make sure the GOP areas got special deals buying Sharpies in bulk. Plausible deniability all around, and Mission Accomplished(TM).

    Off topic, but it will be interesting to see how the Dems shut down their current Klantifa insurrection, should Biden finally win. I would bet that the FBI will finally be making arrests starting in February of mid-level people who thought they had immunity or covered their tracks.

    (And the rumors that the GOP might be ahead in the House races by a single district, make it even more entertaining, and make another impeachment investigation next year possible…)

    1. FBI doesn’t need to crack down on the black bloc. Democrats want them at the ready. They are the most motivated of their base and too many staffers, teachers/professors, and children if politicians would be caught up in arrests.

      Democrats will simply stop organizing and funding events.

      1. Once the street fighters are no longer needed, they need to be disposed of, otherwise they’ll start causing you trouble. (See what happened to the SA once the National Socialists got into power, for example.)

        The Klantifa have gotten a taste of what they can do, and get away with, and I’m pretty sure those are the kind of people who like violence, who live for this sort of thuggery, and crave more. They aren’t going to just stop because some rich “technocrat” tells them to retire and go back to their non-existent low wage service job. (I’m sure lots of these folks are unskilled service workers out of work thanks to the Chinese Bat Cootie Panic.) Getting paid for this has been a nice bonus, but they’ll do it regardless.

        1. “They aren’t going to just stop because some rich “technocrat” tells them to retire and go back to their non-existent low wage service job.”

          There are a lot of meth heads or addicts to other drugs but arrest records show a lot of working professionals. Teachers, professors, medical professionals, staff to local Democrats, and the children of elected officials have all been arrested. It isn’t just the dregs of society acting out. Progressive Marxism is main stream. Tim Kaine’s son was arrested for beating people in a state capitol back in 2016.

          I’m sure a lot of them enjoy silence through violence but they do it with purpose. They are organized by the Democrats. Just like with OWS, we will see them when the Democrats need them. That might be for muscle in the street or to provide justification for enacting policies to pacify their street soldiers.

          Things will get worse, even if the intensity ebbs and flows. We are in a generational struggle.

          “Once the street fighters are no longer needed, they need to be disposed of”

          But that time isn’t now.

          1. “It isn’t just the dregs of society acting out. ”

            Some people might suggest that many ‘teachers, professors, medical professionals, staff to local Democrats, and the children of elected officials’ *are* the dregs of modern society.

          2. Some people might suggest that many ‘teachers, professors, medical professionals, staff to local Democrats, and the children of elected officials’ *are* the dregs of modern society.

            First world problems, amirite?

        2. “Once the street fighters are no longer needed, they need to be disposed of, otherwise they’ll start causing you trouble. (See what happened to the SA once the National Socialists got into power, for example.)”

          Raoul the Dems are not that smart and they don’t read history.

          If Trump wins they will use the challenges to the count as evidence of stealing the election, call Trump illegitimate and keep the street thugs out there causing trouble.

          After all that’s what they’ve done for the last 4 years…why stop now?

          1. Given a lame duck term, what incentive would President Trump have to NOT invoke the Insurrection Act at that point?

  3. Biden has no path to victory that doesn’t involve even more egregious fraud, and Republicans are in no mood to let themselves get robbed again.

    So the left’s massive assault to expand their hold in the House, take the Senate, take the White House, and pack the Supreme Court has fizzled to nothing. We revert to the status quo ante, except now with more Hunter Biden.

    I’ve told Democrats that a Biden victory is now their worst outcome, because McConnell means they get no upside from it, and a big huge downside. Aside from the Senate continuing hearings on Biden’s bribery, money laundering, tax evasion, and probably working for hostile foreign powers, they’d also have to figure out when to pull the trigger on removing him via the 25th Amendment due to senility. Then they have Kamala, who still couldn’t do anything except be her toxic self and make more Democrats start voting Republican, while the whole nation feels like we’ve been duped. And all the while, Trump would still be Tweeting. He’s not going away.

    So they’ll be better off eating the loss. I think their first response will be to scream Trump’s win proves how racist America is, but they’ll soon start pointing fingers like Hillary did, and other fingers will point right back. The list of potential reasons for their failure will be really, really long.

    1) Why did everyone get behind Biden when he was clearly an early loser? What were people doing behind the scenes, in the party and the media, to prop him up?
    2) Did Biden suck all the oxygen from the centrist lane? Were corrupt party officials responsible for sabotaging the moderate governors? Was Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg responsible?
    3) Did too many centrists and independents keep seeing things that the media kept ignoring, like Biden’s obviously slowness, speech problems, and memory problems?
    4) Did blacks in key battlegrounds defect due to Biden’s gaffes?
    5) Did blacks defect because BLM scared too many away?
    6) Hillary lost because she wouldn’t campaign, and Biden campaigned even less than she did. Who in the party thought that was a winning strategy?
    7) Biden renounced Bernie Sanders and the left wing of the party.
    8) Biden failed to convince moderates that he wasn’t beholden to the left-wing of the party.
    9) Did too many people find ways around the media blackout of the Hunter Biden laptop story.
    10) Did the media blackout on Hunter draw more attention to him. Blackouts are Streisand.

    272) Did Biden’s fracking nonsense cost him Pennsylvania, and perhaps Texas?
    273) More people play in the NFL and Major League baseball than attended all of Biden’s rallies, combined. Was that a problem?
    274) Having car rallies while pledging to end fossil fuel, which powers all the cars at his rallies, was absurd. Was that a mistake?
    275) Did calling people racists to their face fail to win over enough racists?

    1. So they’ll be better off eating the loss.

      The only reason this wouldn’t be true is if the GOP controlled House and Senate decided to back the President in cleaning out the politicized Executive bureaucracy. Trump has primed the system to do that, but I don’t see the GOP getting behind him. In the meantime, other than perceived losses like “world respect”, the only real loss for the left will be their climate change agenda, which is being implemented in the private sector anyway. They can always enact socialism later.

      6) Hillary lost because she wouldn’t campaign, and Biden campaigned even less than she did. Who in the party thought that was a winning strategy?

      This is the one thing that bothered me the most for this election. This election shouldn’t even be close because of this. It is, because the media carried the water for the campaign. Still, it doesn’t work for those in “flyover country” that recognize the Democrats no longer care about them to even visit once every 4 years. Even there, the Democrats don’t care, but there’s plenty of electoral votes to be had on the coasts.

      If the Democrats could flip Florida, they could ignore every state west of the Appalachians and east of the Rockies. The only exception is Illinois, which could easily be replaced by North Carolina or Georgia. Or hope the 2020 Census makes enough changes for them.

      One thing I’m grateful for is Texas GOP keeping the legislature for the 2020 Census redistricting. I’m sure like the last 2 decades, the Democrats will flee to Oklahoma to avoid a quorum, and then some liberal Federal judge will throw out the legislative decision and provide a new map. It is funny that Democrats complain about the gerrymandering in Texas, when most of the lines are actually drawn by liberal judges.

      1. With a Haris/Biden win and GOP in control of Congress, it means the country wont suffer from Democrats doing all the crazy things they want. They will be limited in large part to abuses of executive power.

        This means reality wont be piercing the unicorns and gum drop narrative Democrats have and non-Democrats will have a harder time convincing the low infos what the Democrats will do when they have power.

        1. A word of caution: the Senate is still not secure. Runoff elections in Georgia will determine whether we hold it. Given the stakes, I believe the Dems won’t hesitate to do anything (ie vote fraud) to win – especially since they’re getting away with it in the national election.

  4. Well the GOP held the Senate and gained in the House.

    That aspect of the election is more than I hoped for.

    Now, if the fraud can be exposed and Trump end up winning the election it all will be a fabulous outcome.

    Fingers crossed. But I am fearful that the opportunity to truck in the massive numbers of pre-election manufactured illegal votes is too large to ignore.

    But…I can’t think of a tougher meaner fighter than Trump so if the fraud can be fought, defeated and exposed, Trump is the man to do it.

  5. It is time for Republicans to up their game. When Democrats change election rules, Republicans need to adapt to them and use them the same way Democrats do.


  6. And all the while, Trump would still be Tweeting. He’s not going away.

    Expect lots of harassing lawsuits. See what they did to Palin, for example.

    On the other hand, I could see him, despite his age, doing a Grover Cleveland at least into the primaries. Who’s the GOP squish who wants to take him on? Better for the smarter ones to court him to run as his rightful successor. Dems should consider that Trumpism without the Evil Orange Clown in charge might not be in their interest, but the last decade has shown the Dems have no talent for considering the long-range consequences of their short term actions.

    What does amaze me is that we haven’t got to the point where a Gavrilo Princip, or John Brown, or John W. Booth, or James E. Ray, or Lee H. Oswald or even a Squeaky Fromme or a James Hodgkinson deciding to get in on the action.

    (And senile, crooked Trader Joe seems to be doing what St.Hillary! couldn’t do? What does that say about her?)

  7. Democrats clearly stole the 1960 presidential election via vote fraud. Nixon didn’t contest it because he knew it would tear the country apart. They were up to their old tricks (and added some new ones) again this year. However, Trump is calling them out. He’s going to call for a recount in Wisconsin where there were reportedly more votes cast than registered voters. He’s going to challenge other questionable results in court. He fights.

      1. That is the mildest of mild “banging” on glass by old ladies no less. Meanwhile last night in DC, Democrats hit a man in the head with a baseball bat, stabbed two people, and assaulted people videoing what they were doing.

        Our voting system is low integrity, which raises questions during close and contentious elections. For months, Democrats have been accusing Republicans of voter fraud, voter intimidation, and other shenanigans, so it isn’t just one side the worries about our voting systems.

        Democrats have a documented history of voter fraud going back over 100 years and every cycle there are examples of voter fraud. A couple hundred votes here or there adds up across a state and this is especially true when the vote is close.

        When integrity issues are raised, Democrats mock them but if Democrats really thought the system was legitimate and want everyone to be comfortable with it, they would take actions to assure Republicans everything is on the up and up. But instead, Democrat go the opposite route and pass laws saying ballots without postmarks received up to 3 days after the election can be counted and that signatures don’t need to match. Poll watchers were ejected from locations to the cheers of the people counting votes.Why would anyone be suspicious?

      2. Turns out the back story of the video is that GOP observers had been kicked out of the counting center and were asking to get back in and for the counting to stop until they, the observers, were allowed to witness the counting.

    1. Trump has been trying to deal with it. He just can’t get anybody else to actually prosecute anybody. The most we have gotten is a slap on the wrist to the guy the IG outed as having intentionally lied on the FISA application.

      At the same time, Gen. Flynn is still being prosecuted by the Executive Judicial branch that has now decided they possess that power. I’m sure when the time comes, Judge Sullivan will decide he has executioner authority as well.

      1. He can declassify everything and then pardon those who he thinks are responsible. They wont get jail but history will record their crimes.

        1. I like it. Give pardons to Comey and all the rest and let them deal with it. Do they accept or insist on their innocence and refuse it? Can pardons be refused? (Nixon didn’t.)

          They aren’t going to get punished anyhow, so why not just make it official and not force Harris to deal with anything that might pop up after January?

  8. “Arizona still has more than 600,000 ballots remaining to be counted, officials tell CNN.

    Between 615,000 and 635,000 ballots, possibly more, remain to be counted in Arizona, according to the officials.

    Biden currently leads Trump by about 93,000 votes statewide, 51.% to 47.6%, according to CNN’s latest count. According to informal estimates, Trump would need to win approximately 58% of the outstanding vote to overcome Biden’s lead.

    Roughly two-thirds of the remaining votes to be counted come from Maricopa County, home of Phoenix, which Trump won four years ago 49% to 46% over Hillary Clinton, but where Biden currently holds a lead of about 99,000 votes.

    Maricopa elections officials say they have between 428,000 and 446,000 ballots still to count. This includes 248,000 mail ballots that were returned in the last three days before the election; between 160,000 and 180,000 mail ballots returned on Election Day; and 18,000 provisional ballots, according to the Maricopa County Recorder’s Office. County officials said they expect to release updated count numbers around 9 p.m. ET. But they have not said when final results will be released.

    The next biggest share of votes come from blue-leaning Pima County, home of Tucson, which has just under 91,000 ballots left to count.

    Of Arizona’s 13 other counties, five have not posted information about their number of remaining votes to count. Seven of the remaining eight were counties that Trump won over Clinton in 2016; but, all told, they account for about 12% of the known remaining ballots to be counted. ”

    “Arizona’s Maricopa County will release two batches of poll results tonight

    From CNN’s Kyung Lah

    Arizona’s Maricopa County, the most populous county that includes Phoenix, will release two batches of voting results Wednesday night, according to Megan Gilbertson from the Maricopa County Elections Department.

    Here’s when they numbers will be released:

    ▪The first batch will come at 9 p.m ET / 7 p.m. MT
    ▪The second will come at 12:30 a.m. ET / 10:30 p.m. MT

    There is no estimate on how many ballots each batch will contain.

    Among the first ballots counted today are the 248,000 early ballots that were not processed before Election Day. Those ballots will go more quickly as more of them have been taken out of envelopes and signature verified already.

    The roughly 160,000 to 180,000 early ballots dropped off on Election Day have not been removed from envelopes or signature verified—these will take time to process.”

    https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/election-results-and-news-11-04-20/h_17cb18aa8ae5fbad2e9371dd1fa67ff4

  9. Those Wisconsin numbers are jaw-dropping.

    That would give Wisconsin a turnout of 88%. According to Ballotpedia, no American state in the period 2002-2018 has ever achieved a turnout rate of 80% or higher.

    Looks like Milwaukee is quickly arriving at a point where they can look at Philadelphia and say “Pikers!”

    1. It is suspect but it would be nice to know the story behind it. Did Democrats pay people to do ballot harvesting and if so, why didn’t Republicans?

      1. “As reporters and commentators went to bed early Tuesday morning, all three states were too close to call, but President Trump led former Vice President Joe Biden by comfortable margins—far beyond what had been predicted in the polls. None of the networks called these states because enough mail-in ballots remained uncounted that it could swing either way, but Trump’s position looked good.

        Then, something strange happened in the dead of the night. In both Michigan and Wisconsin, vote dumps early Wednesday morning showed 100 percent of the votes going for Biden and zero percent—that’s zero, so not even one vote—for Trump.

        In Michigan, Biden somehow got 138,339 votes and Trump got none, zero, in an overnight vote-dump.”

        And they just might get away with it…the mainstream media will just label it a “right-wing (or Russian) conspiracy theory” and not cover it one wit.

        1. Earlier this morning I said this to some liberal cheerleaders, after covering some specifics of the fraud and how DHS apparently had agents planted in many places to gather evidence. I’ve also heard they’d had the ballots watermarked without telling anybody, so they can sort fake ballots from real ones, though I don’t know if there’s any truth to it.

          ****

          If Biden is put in office through massive voter fraud, everybody will be made keenly aware of it, non-stop. Everyone in the Senate will be aware of it, everyone at work will be aware of it, kids will accost each other on the playgrounds over it. They’ll come home saying “Biden isn’t the REAL president. He’s a crook.” It would be too big to ignore, and of course Trump will not ever shut up about it. He’ll be tweeting ever day to the 68 million people who voted for him, and they’ll retweet it to Democrats. There will be polls asking “Do you think Biden was elected through voter fraud?” That number is north of 50%, Democrats will be doomed, and will likely get crushed in 2022 over it, losing the House and perhaps seeing a Republican super-majority in the Senate. At that point Biden, if he’s still even coherent, will just be the butt of jokes.

          But until then, Biden will be able to accomplish – well, pretty much nothing because McConnell still holds the Senate and the Supreme Court is 6-3, and Biden will have zero remaining political capital, and Harris even less, while Democrats will have no focus for their outrage, except perhaps Nancy.

          They’d be better off with Trump in office so they could continue their “resistance”, and distance themselves from both Biden’s scandals and the election fraud, make huge gains in 2022, expanding in the House and taking the Senate, while they jockey to come up with a highly electable candidate for 2024.

          This is where wise people would realize it’s better not to get caught with their hand in the cookie jar, just because they couldn’t exercise enough self-control to try and get away with something, when their parents were by no means stupid.

          ****

          Now if I was getting testy, I might point out that the last President who was put in office through outright voter fraud got shot in the back of the head with a rifle, but I figure that’s a bit too pointed, and it had nothing to do with what happened.

          However, Nixon didn’t challenge the result, where Trump is challenging the fraud every way he can.

    1. It is funny because Democrats ran a hate based campaign. Their existence, the way they view reality, is based on hatred of other people. They dehumanize non-Democrats as racists, Nazi, unevolved, ext.

      But Trump isn’t racist. Trump was for gay marriage before Obama. Did the media sing the praises of Rick Grenell? Republicans think he is great. Trump has Jewish grandkids, he isnt an anti-Semite like AOC and other Democrats.

      People are seeing through the Democrats racist stereotyping. This is why so many minorities voted for Trump. Look at how they are treated by Democrats. They are called race traitors, white supremacists, defenders of patriarchy, and other nonsense. Jews are even called white supremacists. Whose ideology is one based on hate? Is it the one that produces songs telling people to f off based on the bigoted stereotypes they have for others?

  10. I did a piece of math that isn’t evidence, but is grounds for suspicion.

    Trump was outperforming his polling by 5.9% in Florida, 6.2% in Ohio, 3.8% in Texas, and by nearly double digits in some states. And yet the pollsters happened to be spot on in Michigan and Pennsylvania, where ballots keep showing up out of nowhere exactly when needed? That seems a bit unlikely. Why would polling in those states have been so much better than the other states?

    Their vote totals would seem to be outliers.

    1. They keep saying vote by mail faover Democrats, the same people who got the polls wrong say this. Why wouldn’t Republicans vote by mail?

      It looks like they were just setting the groundwork for boxes of ballots showing up wherever needed.

      1. They all knew that vote-by-mail has a high rejection rate, perhaps 5% to 20%, yet were perfectly willing to risk that. Some Democrats panicked later in the race and started telling Democrats to vote in person, probably because they realized their state wasn’t a battleground where there would be a massive mail-in-fraud operation.

        And that’s the thing. It had to be a move purely done to set up vote-by-mail fraud or they wouldn’t have tried to get almost all their voters to use a less-reliable voting system, since that would obviously cost them votes. They needed to manufacture a reason for millions of mail-in-ballots to arrive, and then they started screaming about the Post Office to create an excuse to allow those mail-in-ballots to arrive late, after they knew how many fraudulent ballots they needed.

  11. Did you know – if you post the link to the Federalist story on Facebook, their censor will flag the post as “partly false” information.

  12. There was a very interesting Tweet on Benford’s law, which is the statistical pattern of the first digit of a string of numbers. The digits appear in decreasing frequency from 1 to 9, because usually you’re counting smaller sets of things, plus the way digits flip as you roll a count over.

    Vote totals from precincts and counties follow Benford’s law pretty closely, for local races and for Trump, but not for Biden. Biden’s vote totals in many places deviate pretty strongly. In Wisconsin, his totals start with 5 and 6. In Chicago, they start with 2, 3, and 4.

    That’s because human’s are horrible random number generators, and the method is used to sift through scientific papers for signs of fraud. It’s also been used on elections.

    This is where we all get to play Columbo, looking at things like the weaponized autistics from 4/chan going up against Shia LeBouf. Shia never had a prayer, nor do the rent-a-fraudsters who were given a task that was way above their paygrade. They did what they always get away with, just more of it, and it’s not going to work.

    I’ll also note that on-the-ground ballot-fraud, with people madly filling out fake ballots and dropping them off, won’t violate Benford’s law. Violations of it are indicative of a precinct or county election official reporting made up numbers, where a person tries to make the digits sound random but of course fails at it.

    If Benford is the clue, look for the count to have no relation to the number of physical ballots present. A quick audit would show a vast discrepancy between the count and the ballots laying around, one that they couldn’t explain.

    “There are a couple of loose ends I’d like to tie up. Nothing important you understand.” – Columbo.

    “”One more thing…” – Columbo.

  13. “If Biden is put in office through massive voter fraud, everybody will be made keenly aware of it, non-stop. Everyone in the Senate will be aware of it, everyone at work will be aware of it, kids will accost each other on the playgrounds over it. They’ll come home saying “Biden isn’t the REAL president. He’s a crook.” It would be too big to ignore, and of course Trump will not ever shut up about it. He’ll be tweeting ever day to the 68 million people who voted for him, and they’ll retweet it to Democrats. There will be polls asking “Do you think Biden was elected through voter fraud?” That number is north of 50%, Democrats will be doomed, and will likely get crushed in 2022 over it, losing the House and perhaps seeing a Republican super-majority in the Senate. At that point Biden, if he’s still even coherent, will just be the butt of jokes.”

    I sincerely hope your right George because it looks like the dems have successfully mail-in-voter fraud their way into POTUS. Biden is now ahead by thousands of votes in Pennsylvania; apparently new batches of pro-Biden votes arrived in the morning. Trump will fight the good fight with law suits etc., but don’t think that will change things. Like you said the best hope is a high degree of public awareness of the chicanery and retaliate at the 2022 elections. I will likely be voting straight Republican in all elections from now on; this corrupt democratic machine will have to be dismantled from top to bottom. Looks like the Republicans will retain the Senate by a slim margin hopefully, and have parsed the dem’s control of the House considerably. Even if they do Biden will cause as much dementia addled mischief as he can with Presidential orders to bypass the Senate as much as possible.

  14. So, when Obama/Biden was ensuring there was not foreign interference in US election, they failed. But with Trump/Pence there is apparently no whiff of foreign interference in US election.

    Of course, it’s been proven there was no evidence of Russian interference and it was fake news, but fake news is still fake {and has always been fake and will continue to be fake}. But I am just saying what the story “tells you”.

    Now, if Trump doesn’t get re-elected, Trump remains the leader of Republican party and may “somehow” get even higher approval within Rep party. So he going involved the mid-term elections in 2022, and he could win primary for 2024 election.
    There good reasons Biden will not get the 100 days of passing his what he wants {and unclear that he even has mandate} but there the tradition of losing House in the Mid-term. Though may not apply as he will do almost nothing. Or markets seem happy as there appears there is going to gridlock- and no change by government makes them happy. Biden can re-enter Iran deal, but that will be a dead letter, and if Iran goes back to doing more terrorism- Biden {and Dems] gets blamed. The Paris climate agreement will likewise be a dead letter and only has no side for dems. The Dems have a lost of middle east peace agreement to look forward to.
    So, Biden could serve as interlude of Trump’s 12 years in office.
    And without Dems getting win in Congress, the idea of replacing Biden with someone who isn’t zombie, looks unlikely. Biden could quit and/or do has suggested of not running for second term. BUT the country could do quite well during his term, and Biden might tempted to run for second term.
    So Trump should continue, to press for ensuring all legal votes were counted, but could work out that Trump effectively gets a third term {assuming he lives that long}.

    1. Trump may be too old to run in 2024, but fortunately he made back-up Trumps that we can swap in for him. ^_^

      Meanwhile, here’s a long legal discussion on US voter fraud. Indicia that widespread voter fraud is occurring, how to show it in court, remedies, and all the rest.

      For those who don’t have an hour or so to spare, the short version on the indicators are:

      In the US, there are typically seven different badges, or indicia, that indicate that major election fraud is occurring, which is separate from proving it in court, which he also covers.

      * Did one area hold back a bunch of ballots until the rest of the state reports, and then produce however many ballots are needed to tip the election, which won’t be happening in non-battleground states. If a big urban center with a history of corruption is reporting late, it’s likely because they’re committing fraud.

      * Very late returns showing very different margins than early returns, and very different margins from similar demographic areas, or the same area earlier in the evening or in early voting. Was the area going 60-40, 55-45 and then at 4:00 AM it starts going 95-5? Generally this only happens if the later reports are based on fraud.

      * Is there a very large turnout in areas controlled or dominated by one party, without similarly large turnouts for that party in nearby cities with split control? Did one party has massive voter turnout in a particular demographic in cities controlled that party (machine), but normal turnout in other cities with split control (Detroit, Atlanta, Philly vs Ann Arbor, Savannah, Hershey)? If black turnout is breaking records in Atlanta, whereas blacks in Savannah are hardly bothering to vote, the machine-city turnout is likely fraudulent.

      * Areas that were showing below-average turnout until election day, short line on election day, and then days later claim very high vote counts from those areas. You see low turnout, and low interest, prior to or on election day, but then late that night record turnout seems to have occurred, without ever noticing it.

      * Ballots that only have one candidate marked, but not down ticket races. For example, tens of thousands of late ballots in Atlanta were for Biden, but the “voter” didn’t bother to vote for the Democrat Senate candidate. Does this just happen in contested states, but not uncontested states? Is this happening on ballots marked for the other candidate, or just one?

      * Is there a very large apparent turnout in cities in key states that does not occur in similar cities in other states. Is there a massive wave of urban blacks voting in Detroit, when there was no massive wave in cities like Cleveland or St Louis?

      * Are there attempts to keep the counting from being watched and monitored? Is counting happening in the middle of the night, without any observers present?

      ALL of these indicia are glaringly present in Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, and somewhat apparent in North Carolina, and to a degree in Pennsylvania and Nevada. These are the historically typical warning signs of ongoing, significant voting fraud in US elections.

      Then he goes through the legal path that these cases follow, what evidence you need, what checks exist, etc., and the various legal remedies.

      1. –Trump may be too old to run in 2024, but fortunately he made back-up Trumps that we can swap in for him. ^_^–

        Trump is not a politician, nor are his children
        Trump is the destructor and his children, aren’t.
        Trump likes campaign rallies and his children are probably
        not keen on them. They did them to help their father. It’s like
        kids drag into a “summer vacation” with the station wagon.

        Biden is too old to be president. Trump was too old, but proved he wasn’t.
        One of my points is everyone assumes Biden will not finish his first term. And I think the their is 50% chance, he would finish his first term, and another 50% he will try to do a second term.
        If he does, he will be older than Trump.
        Biden will be lousy president, but he will probably really enjoy being President.
        It appears to me, that everyone knows Biden is not fit to be President, yet he would appear to have won an election. Or only mandate he has is despite not capable, the public decreed he was.
        Or unless he gets a lot more incapable, he has the mandate to be the president. I think Biden’s health might even improve. Maybe something Biden will actually do is get stuff passed against age discrimination. It should be popular with Boomers. And Congress is full of over aged farts.

        1. Biden will probably not last a year before they have to remove him for dementia. He already has lapses where he doesn’t remember that his eldest son died five years ago, and got his two granddaughters mixed up.

          1. “Biden will probably not last a year before they have to remove him for dementia.”

            Or maybe two years from now via your earlier scenario incensed voters give the House back to Republicans & expand their hold in the Senate. Under the new post Trump impeachment lower bar for impeachment POTUS doesn’t need to be guilty of “high crime/misdemeanor to be removed from office. Just something Congress decides is “beyond the pale” whatever that means. They could impeach and remove from office Harris on the grounds she knew Biden had dementia and aided and abetted covering it up deceiving the American people

          2. That’s why he is the perfect vessel. They can do any number of illegal things and if they get caught, Biden just says he can’t remember anything and no one will get punished.

        2. I’ll be surprised if Biden actually makes it to January.

          Even if he was to survive to become President, Pelosi would 25th Amendment his ass before the end of the month.

  15. Twitter: “Video clip that shows a Pornhub banner during CNN’s live coverage is edited, journalists report”

    Me: That’s reassuring. I was worried Pornhub had lost their morals.

    1. “Accountant Larry Correia: Fuckery is afoot.”

      From your link:

      “Somebody gas lighted me about how “I’d have to do better than that”, so this was my quick reply, listing off the questionable bullshit I could think of off the top of my head:

      The massive turn out alone is a red flag.

      But as for doing better…

      The late night spikes that were enough to close all the Trump leads are a red flag.

      The statistically impossible breakdown of the ratios of these vote dumps is a red flag.

      The ratios of these dumps being far better than the percentages in the bluest of blue cities, even though the historical data does not match, red flag.

      The ratios of these vote dumps favoring Biden more in these few battlegrounds than the ratio for the rest of the country (even the bluest of the blue) red flag.

      Biden outperforming Obama among these few urban vote dumps, even though Trump picked up points in every demographic group in the rest of the country, red flag.

      The poll observers being removed. Red flag.

      The counters cheering as GOP observers are removed, red flag.

      The fact that the dem observers outnumber the GOP observers 3 to 1, red flag (and basis of the first lawsuit filed)

      The electioneering at the polls (on video), red flag.

      The willful violation of the court order requiring the separation of ballots by type, red flag.

      USPS whistleblower reporting to the Inspector General that today they were ordered to backdate ballots to yesterday, red flag.

      The video of 2 AM deliveries of what appear to be boxes of ballots with no chain of custody or other observers right before the late night miracle spikes, red flag.

      Any of those things would be enough to trigger an audit in the normal world. This many flags and I’d be giggling in anticipation of catching some thieves.

      And it isn’t that I have to do better. I’m just an gen pop observer who happens to be a retired auditor with a finely tuned bullshit detector. This is going to the courts.”

      Pretty much what George just said and I agree. I went to bed election night with Trump leading by substantial margins in Michigan and Wisconsin only to be shocked in the morning by these ridiculously asymmetrical massive vote dumps happening in the dead of night.

      1. One red flag was Biden’s speech on election night with this weird half grin and chuckle talking about votes coming in. Looked like someone who can’t tell a joke without laughing.

    1. Orville don’t know what to make of this is this legit can we get our hopes up that this is going to happen? Are there going to be arrest or not or is this more Internet bullshit?

      1. CISA is a legit division of DHS, and election security is one of their tasks.

        Not everyone is a fan of Wictor, but Steve Pieczenik has a very credible national security resume having worked for four presidents in a national security role, former CIA, and a co-writer with Tom Clancy on some of his books. Pieczenik is well connected.

        1. “Search YouTube for “The new federal agency nobody knows about” to see Thomas Wictor’s comments.”

          Okay Orville I will….

          The new federal agency nobody knows about.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07KRFyarGyw

          God…I hope you/them are correct. Not sure I am convinced but if so Trump has indeed as Scott Adams has suggested been playing three-dimensional chess against his enemies.

    2. I thought it was called 5th dimensional chess.

      It seems Trump is having too much fun.

      I guess we will wait and see, but I didn’t think 2020 could get more exciting.

  16. “Veteran pollster Frank Luntz, contemplating his industry’s major misses in a second consecutive presidential election, declared his profession “done.” ”
    https://lidblog.com/political-polling-dead/
    Linked from https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/

    So got idea, let’s do mail in ballots better.
    We call it pre-voting.
    And it will act like polling.
    Instead of asking who you will vote for, it’s who did you vote for.
    So public can choose to allow, a pollster, to look at who they actually voted for. Also good against fraud, as pollster and verify that their vote taken and accurate.
    So pre-voting an option and done say 1 month to 2 weeks before the election and absentee voting done 2 weeks to 1 week from Election. And of course one choose instead to go to polls on election day. And all results must finished by end of the election day.

  17. A question I’ve not seen discussed anywhere– Who will Harris pick as her replacement once Joe gets Twenty-Fifthed?

  18. Biden is screwed? *We* the people will be screwed. Trump’s reduction in the size of government will be quickly reversed. Executive branch regulations and idiocy will come at us rapid-fire. The price of fossil fuels will go up, hurting all of us directly, then indirectly as the price of all goods goes up. (Oddly, the party that claims to be the champion of the poor sees nothing illogical about raising the price of gasoline and other fuels.) The deep state will entrench itself further, bolstering itself against the kinds of attacks the Trump administration has waged. And elections will never again be even remotely fair.

    I guess this was bound to happen sooner (with a Biden win) or later (with whoever follows a second Trump term, no doubt also leftist “Democrat”), but I sure was hoping for “later”.

  19. Wisconsin has same-day voter registration, so the number of registered voters before election day is not the same as the total number who are registered and can vote on election day.

  20. It’s time to use the 14th amendment and Insurrection Act. Within a few minutes of falsely being declared the loser by the fake MSM, Twitter disabled Trumps account.

    I predict that Youtube will shortly stop carrying any Trump speeches or announcements. They will attempt to drop a cone of silence on Trump, while useless “conservatives” like Laura Ingraham plead with Trump to do the “honorable” thing and just concede.

    1. “It’s time to use the 14th amendment and Insurrection Act. Within a few minutes of falsely being declared the loser by the fake MSM, Twitter disabled Trumps account.”

      So what happened to our imminent mass arrest by the secret Homeland security derived organization? The one that had the water-marked ballots that were going to blow the lid off of everything?

  21. I don’t think the Senate is safe either. My understanding is that both Senate races the Republican Senators neither one while winning received more than 50% of the votes. That correctly if I am wrong means a run-off election in January next year. When Biden is likely Prez (assuming likely that Trump’s legal challenges don’t stop it). What’s to stop there from being massive mail-in-voting fraud again? Ballot stuffing out the wazoo? The Biden/Harris justice department? Dead people voting out of state residents voting more votes being cast than known registration rolls would account for etc.? Stacey Abrams would luv to bring home the gold for the Harris/Biden ticket. Sorry all for my angry pessimistic tone; I am kind of pissed off and depressed after good old “conservative” Fox News named Biden the winner ahead of Penn even declaring such.

      1. The runoffs in Georgia take place before the inauguration. Most news stories and the Georgia Secretary of State website all say January 5th.

    1. Yes. If Harris actually ends up in the White House, there will be no limit to Democrat election fraud. Because if they can get away with something this blatant, why wouldn’t they just print as many votes as they want from now on?

  22. Kamala Harris has proved that a black woman can be employed by a white man to do unimportant tasks for half his salary. I never dared to hope.

  23. “Voter fraud or just shenanigans from career public servants?
    Republicans don’t trust Democrats. Why? Because they always create extrajudicial loop holes that can be exploited. ”

    Our (and the countries) only slim hope at this point are Trump’s lawsuits. That SCOTUS rules that Pennsylvania violated its own states laws when Penn Supreme court allowed contrary to State law ballots to be included in the count after 8PM on election day. A recount would have to be ordered with said late ballots excluded. First salvo being SCOTUS judge Sam Alito’s order to separate said ballots; heard their is no clear indication his order was being followed by Penn election officials which doesn’t inspire confidence. Also hopefully a similar ruling in Wisconsin because of the issues of state law not being followed indicated in your posted link. My understanding is that so far Amy Coney Barrett has recused herself from the earlier attempt made to get SCOTUS to act before election day, we desperately need the full court for these suits now.

    1. “Voter fraud or just shenanigans from career public servants?
      Republicans don’t trust Democrats.”
      Voter fraud is “just shenanigans from career public servants”; the worst kind aided and abetted by the government. Like in Wisconsin and Michigan; suspicious ballot drops occurring after midnight on election night. Filling out of ballots in Georgia with only votes for Biden then “signed” but not completely filled out for the rest of the candidates. Exactly what you would expect if election workers were stuffing theses ballots in; saving time and then moving on to the next ballot.

      1. You may (or may not, but based on your words, probably will) be surprised to know how many down-ballot races are left blank by voters in presidential elections. Especially local races or uncontested races that have a clear winner before election day.

        It’s not all that odd for a ballot to only have president/vice president voted and the rest left empty.

        For that matter, with the 2-4 year campaign cycle for president nowadays, there are also plenty of uninformed voters who get upset that president is not on an off-cycle/midterm ballot or even occasionally on the local odd-year ballots.

        There are few things more frustrating than listening to a voter whine and complain that they received a ballot for their April, 2019 school bond issue and president wasn’t on it, and how dare you misinform them about why we were holding an election in the first place…

        1. “You may (or may not, but based on your words, probably will) be surprised to know how many down-ballot races are left blank by voters in presidential elections. Especially local races or uncontested races that have a clear winner before election day.
          It’s not all that odd for a ballot to only have president/vice president voted and the rest left empty.”

          Okay…no I did not know that. Then the question would be were said number of un-fully filled out ballots were uncharacteristically high and slanted in favor of one candidate (Biden) over another (Trump) and mysteriously occurring only in battleground States . Did the late night “ballot dumps” occurring in Wisconsin/Michigan disproportionately favor one side over another? Far more so than usual? And you didn’t comment on the issue of State Supreme court of Penn. illegally overruling the legislature and extending the ballot acceptance criteria; that is clear legal criteria for SCOTUS to order a recount with them excluded.

          1. I looked at that data for 20 Pennsylvania counties that I looked out (by hitting their state election website and punching tons of data into a spreadsheet).

            Here it is in CSV, which is going to look horrible in a browser but which you can cut and paste back into a spreadsheet

            County,President (P),AG,Auditor,Treasurer,US Rep,Avg downticket,Pres. Only (PO),PO/P
            Centre,76811,76026,75511,75510,75920,75742,1069,1.39%
            Fayette,59887,58718,58012,58005,58224,58240,1647,2.75%
            Greene ,17494,17099,16851,16920,17011,16970,524,2.99%
            Philly,686203,658168,652059,654802,649673,653676,32528,4.74%
            Delaware,320049,316202,314648,314855,315715,315355,4694,1.47%
            Montgomery,501561,497280,493759,495252,496632,495731,5830,1.16%
            Bucks,385043,381218,378583,379326,381757,380221,4822,1.25%
            Chester,309424,307722,306685,306081,307656,307036,2388,0.77%
            Lancaster,273527,270065,268706,268436,270805,269503,4024,1.47%
            Berks,198260,195633,194070,194811,195433,194987,3273,1.65%
            Lehigh,179770,176653,175757,175727,177276,176353,3417,1.90%
            Northhampton,167529,162166,161022,161396,163478,162016,5514,3.29%
            York,232056,229648,228636,228833,229796,229228,2828,1.22%
            Dauphin,144445,142564,140973,140965,141743,141561,2884,2.00%
            Lebanon,70285,69276,68863,68928,69110,69044,1241,1.77%
            Schuylkill,69522,68656,68117,68335,68497,68401,1121,1.61%
            Carbon,33018,32463,31195,31910,32402,31993,1026,3.11%
            Monroe,80392,79126,78666,78653,79114,78890,1502,1.87%
            Pike,32179,31708,31527,31604,31780,31655,524,1.63%
            Wayne,27858,27363,27124,27202,27533,27306,553,1.98%

            Centre county is in central PA, while Fayette and Greene are in the southwest. The rest are in the east.

            The last number is the percentage of President only ballots compared to Presidential ballots, while the column prior to that are the number of ballots that are President only.

            If I toss out the top three counties by the metric, the rest average to 1.7%, so 98.3% of voters mark the full ballot.

            The outliers are Philly, at 4.74%, Northhampton at 3.9%, and Carbon at 3.11%. If we subtract the 1.7% average from these counties and calculate how many “extra” blank down ballots there are, it comes to:

            Philly 20862, Northhampton 2666, Carbon 464.

            Another sign of fraud is that almost none of the mail-in-ballots are being rejected due to mistakes. In 2016 there were 2,534 rejected ballots out of 266,208, a rate of 0.9519%. In 2020 there were 951 rejected ballots out of 2,614,011, a rate of 0.0364%. It’s not possible for Pennsylvanians to have suddenly become perfect at filling out a valid mail-in-ballot, and first-time mail-in-voters in Pennsylvania have had rejection rates as high as 3%, and as is obvious, 90% of this year’s people using mail-in-ballots didn’t use mail-in back in 2016.

            But even sticking with the “experienced” number of 0.9519% rejections, this year should have seen an expected 24,882 rejected mail-in-ballots, not 951. 78% of the mail in ballots were for Biden, so that shift should be 19,532 toward Trump. The low rejection rate indicates, with virtual certainty, that election officials are not verifying mail-in-ballots. In fact, I’d love to know if all 951 rejected ballots were for Trump.

            Combining both issues and you’d have about 43,524 ballots that are either fraudulent or shouldn’t have been accepted as valid.

  24. This is not over until Trump stops fighting.

    Whatever the MSM has to say about who won is utterly worthless and meaningless.

    Over the last 4 years the MSM have declared Trump dead countless times only to be proven wrong at best and liars at worst.

    The electors vote on December (17?). While Trump is fighting,do not count him out.

    Now the question I have is:

    It must have been utterly clear to Trump this would happen. What did he do, well before election day, to prepare to expose it?

    How did he get ready?

    Not over until Trump stops fighting.

    And I don’t know another fighter like Trump.

  25. We used to talk about the narrative. Narratives always had a script, and this time, the Media published the script before election day. However, they roleplayed (remember why Toobin was in Zoom call during his me time) this script, so they tried to hide a few things.

    1) Trump will look like he is winning on election day. (Wait, lets make sure Biden looks like the winner by quickly calling states for Biden, calling only the deep red states for Trump, and pretending Texas and Florida are in play by calling them as late as possible. What ever you do, never show Trump with an electoral lead, no matter how small).

    2) It would be irresponsible for Trump to declare himself winner on election night. (Trump will do it anyway, because he will think he won. But we can still call him irresponsible).

    3) Biden will demand we count all the votes! (Show video of the votes being counted, but don’t point out how Trump watchers are barred from the facility. And bonus; portray Trump voters, whose ballots were rejected because election officials forced them to use non-readible Sharpies, as angry and violent protestors, whether they are violent or not).

    4) Once the initial count is completed, there will be enough votes manufactured for Biden. Declare Biden President-elect immediately. Don’t mention basic rules for recounts, requirements for run-offs, or issues that could be possible lawsuits. (Don’t make the declaration Friday night, leaving time for Trump supporters to rally for a protest. Wait until mid-day Saturday and then make the announcement. No one will think about the counting areas having been closed and that results wouldn’t sit until magically noon the next day.)

    5) Once Biden is announced, block all media coverage of Trump. Air the pre-taped Sunday shows discussing how great it is that Biden won. (Portray now formed Trump supporter rallies as deadly attempts to spread corona. Portray are parties for Biden as support for the newly elected President).

    What was missing from the script is that elections are not certified for nearly a week after the election. I know, many are counting on Democrat Secretary of States ignoring any courts and just certifying anyway, but that only goes so far. The Electoral College vote is nearly a month away. There is time to see what the courts have to say. And there are 71 million Trump voters that won’t appreciate being disenfranchised by voter fraud. Sure, there are also Biden supporters that will claim the election is stolen, but that’s the same tune for the last 4 years. And this script wouldn’t have been necessary if there was really more of them, especially motivated, than there were for Trump.

    That said; the Biden folks everything to lose and everything to gain by continuing on their path. Jail is the prescription for voter fraud. But there is no jail when the President is Biden and he can offer pardons. The FBI and DOJ are still politicized against Trump, and they will drag their feet as long as they can. I don’t put good odds of Trump pulling this out in the courts.

    What to look for? Whether it is worth still backing people with R behind their name, if they choose to follow along with the charade and not demand justice. I sadly think this is the most likely scenario. After all, if they can maintain the Senate and gain in the House; then that’s the neverTrump (self proclaimed conservative) wet dream to have those and lose Trump. I think this is why so many outside Fox News were willing to lose Arizona, as a bone to the neverTrumpers.

    1. Yeah, it was the Red Mirage narrative. The narrative was that it would appear that Trump won on election night but that by morning that would change due to mail in ballots that for some reason couldn’t be counted like other votes.

      They prepped the battlespace for what they were going to do and incepted the explanation in advance so less people would be suspicious when it happened.

      A good internet sleuth could track down the first mentions of Red Mirage and the network of reporters who pushed it.

  26. I’ll toss out another spreadsheet calculation I did. Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan usually vote the same. If we look at the gap, or victory margin, in those three states in each election, all three states will look about the same, until this year.

    In 2008 all three states were within 1.35% of the average of all three.
    2012 was 1.46%.
    2016 was 1.35% (again)
    2020 was 7.41% (for Wisconsin) and 5.39% for Michigan.

    This time the three states, that always come out about the same, didn’t remotely resemble each other. Yet all three were battlegrounds, all three were tight in 2016, and Trump campaign the same in all three.

    I would take that as another little sign that the result doesn’t make much sense this year, as if someone was punching big random numbers into tabulating machines.

    1. Counterpoint: Iowa had traditionally mirrored the national vote from 1992-2012, with a slight D+1 or D+0 most of those years. Iowa swung R+6 in 2016 and this year they’re R+7.

      Of course, the narrative is that Hillary was difficult to stomach in 2016, but now after 4 years of Trump, Iowans are suddenly racist, bigoted a-holes (that Biden is being presented anywhere as likable and electable is laughably sad, to be honest).

      We had open House races and a freshman Senate race that moved the needle in the R direction as well. I was hoping the state house would flip D (I prefer deadlocked, inefficient legislatures, personally), but that wasn’t the case this year.

      We got rid of straight-party voting two or four years ago, which helps keep the down-ballot races empty or at least forces people to manually vote straight-ticket if that’s their desire. Under-voted/blank down-ballot races jumped a little after that, mostly from the infrequent participants.

      1. Well, that’s why I wouldn’t say that breaking with each other is a definite sign that something is up, just that if plenty of other indicators are present, this might be more confirmation of vote rigging.

        West Virginia would be an example of the opposite, where an entire state just flips, and flips hard. That was due to Obama and Hillary insulting everybody in West Virginia, their ancestors, their jobs, and their way of life, and working to destroy them all.

        I know of nothing similar going on in the Upper Midwest except things that would go opposite of the election results. Minnesota, for example, had the entire Iron Range shifting hard toward Trump. Yet it’s vote was the most anti-Trump of all. Whatever happened there wasn’t from late mail-in-ballots, either, or a trend line of skew versus arrival time would be obvious. It’s possible that Minneapolis had so many Somalis generating fake votes that it swamped everything else.

        *Goes and looks at my data*

        Yep. In the hotly contested race between Trump and Hillary, each got about 1.3 million votes. Joe Biden somehow got 1.7 million. Now, Minnesota’s population isn’t really going anywhere, and Trump got 1.48 million votes this time, because lots of Minnesotans jumped ship. If the pool of 2016 voters was constant, that would’ve left Biden with only 1.2 million votes. But instead, from somewhere, 500,000 new Biden votes showed up. Definitely grounds for suspicion.

        And indeed, Minnesota’s turnout might exceed their 1956 turnout, and some Minnesota counties had turnouts approaching 90%.

        Historically, they saw 70% for Bush v Gore, 78% for Bush v Kerry, 78% for Obama McCain, 77% for Obama Romney, and 74% for Trump Hillary. Maybe it’s all because of Covid, or maybe it’s part of the same concerted fraud operation as the other states.

  27. When the media, en-mass, declared Biden the winner yesterday, my first thought was “why?”.

    Two points; nothing significant had changed from the prior evening, and critical states were in legal dispute, which in 2016 and 2004 (and for 2000, after calling the election both ways on election night) was always enough to hold off making a call.

    Yet, all of a sudden and all at once, they did. So of course, “Why?” is the obvious question.

    The left only makes this kind of concerted push when all else is failing. Like the Charlottesville “fine people” hoax, the “Russia!” hoax, the impeachment hoax… and now this.

    My current read; they did it Saturday morning because they knew bad news was on the way.

    It also serves to undermine Trump’s second term if he wins it. Just like the Russia hoax did. I’m also very much on board with the notion that a victory delivered to Trump by the courts might be very attractive for Democrats not named Biden.

  28. Good thing they just announced the vaccine so Biden doesn’t need to have a covid plan. Republicans better call it the Trump vaccine.

    I hate how corrupt our country is.

    1. Agree. I don’t normally fall headlong into conspiracy thinking, despite once having been a mover and shaker in the Libertarian Party, but the timing on Pfizer’s announcement is pathetic. Not only does this relieve Biden of having to have a plan, it also gives him the only chance of an improved economy to show us at the mid-terms.

  29. Not that I’m buying it (the Dem’s would have just created enough additional ballots), but this is a pretty good read (if anyone can locate it unpaywalled) Walter Block in today’s WSJ

    Did the Libertarian Party throw the election to Joe Biden? Maybe. At this writing nominee Jo Jorgensen’s vote total exceeds Mr. Biden’s margin over President Trump in Arizona, Georgia, Nevada and Pennsylvania, enough to change the outcome. In 2000 the Green Party was accused of ruining things for the Democrats. Did Ralph Nader throw the election from Al Gore to George W. Bush? The cognoscenti are still divided, but the 2020 parallels are strong. Probably most Green voters would have gone Democratic if forced into a binary…

    The national Libertarian Party started in 1971, several state parties earlier. In 1969 I had the honor to run for the New York Assembly. My motto was “Disassemble the Assembly.” I didn’t win; I’m not sure my vote total reached triple digits. But I’ve been a staunch member of the party ever since.

    In 2016 physician Donald Miller, historian Ralph Raico and I started a group called Libertarians for Trump. Our advice to libertarian voters was: If you live in Massachusetts or California, strong blue states, vote for Gary Johnson, the Libertarian nominee. The Republicans will lose big there, and your vote for the porcupine won’t help the donkey beat the elephant. Likewise in Louisiana or Alabama, where Mr. Trump was sure to win. But if you live in a purple state, don’t vote Libertarian. It is crucial that Donald beat Hillary!

    I kick myself for not reinstituting this effort in 2019. My thought was that Gary Johnson, a former governor, was well-known and might manage 5% of the vote. He actually registered 3.27%, still more than three times the previous record of 1.06%, set by Ed Clark in 1980. I figured Ms. Jorgenson for 0.25%. She now looks on track to exceed Mr. Clark’s percentage slightly—and hand the presidency to Mr. Biden.

    Pardon me while I beat my head against the wall. How could libertarians in purple states be so stupid?

    More here.

    1. Same crap, different year. The LP has fairly consistently taken votes pretty evenly from the majors over the years, usually taking slightly more from the perceived majority party in each district. As almost proof of this, I give you the simple fact that, if we did pull much heavier from the GOP in any demonstrable way, the Democrats and/or Soros would have found a way to bankroll us and make sure we got on the ballot without all the hassle.

      1. I’m not in any way a big L libertarian, but I agree that the Libertarian Party is a non-factor in who won, as unfortunately their vote tally was small, and more equally split than the votes counted after election day.

        I’ll also admit a coming bias here. I’ve had issues with the GOP since about 2002. They had opportunities to become an influential power and decided to squander that for perceived political power. Despite having control off both sides of Congress and the Presidency a couple of times; major initiatives that were key planks in the party platform were forgotten and never brought to a vote. Or, when finally under Trump, a vote was made, they still couldn’t get control of their majority (one exception is the tax “cuts”).

        If that same party doesn’t show backbone and resolve over the next 2 months; then the Libertarian Party has a chance to win over myself and many others. Whether Trump or Biden wins; whether voter fraud can be proven anywhere; it is clear that Obama/Biden abused their authority to influence the 2016 election, committed fraud on the American people with the Steele Dossier, and hid Biden’s family’s connections with foreign governments. We had a Special Counsel investigate Russia influence on Trump based on a fake dossier. We can have a Special Counsel investigate the Biden family based on evidence and witnesses that are available for cross examination.

        1. A second Trump administration was the only chance for the legal system to reveal the full extent of the Russia Hoax. Most Democrat voters still believe the Republican party is under the control of the Russian government, and will believe it for the rest of their lives. The American experiment in democracy has failed. Now we can only try to build something better.

          1. -The American experiment in democracy has failed. Now we can only try to build something better.–

            Wouldn’t be better is some small nation would try to build something better.

            What stopping Puerto Rico from becoming better?
            Why can’t Cuba be a better nation?
            Perhaps if US had to worry that is it’s citizens were going to some other nation, because it better, the US might copy what that nation was doing right.

          2. The American experiment was a Republic.

            The closer it’s come to a Democracy, the worse things have become.

            As Aristotle said many centuries ago, masculine republics become feminine democracies, and then become tyrannies. Democracy creates far too many problems that can’t be solved by democratic means, and then people demand a tyrant to save them.

          3. “…and then people demand a tyrant to save them.”

            Maybe the tyrant will be AI.

            Some imagine, AI is already in control.

            I tend to think AI tyrant would be boring.

            I think if I was AI tyrant, first thing I would do is get rid teacher unions and governmental unions.
            Actually replace human teacher unions and governmental unions- a software program is all that needed.
            Oh, I guess I don’t even need teachers or government workers. Have humans compete to provide best “lesson plans” and have humans compete to provide best ways to govern and/or administer, and the AI implements it- saving millions of hours of teachers standing in a classrooms, or people going to governmental buildings.

            And AI could be like a God, that people pray to or make requests of whatever.
            But I still think it would be boring and inferior.

    1. Except it not really interesting Mathematics more like poorly derived data to form Fancy charts (manipulatively scaled) to confuse while pushing a disinformation narrative, to support what ever potpourri of conspiracy theory you like.

      This thread doses a pretty good frisking and looking at the “data” can say is accurate assessment.

      First 4 slides of Rand Linked thread attempt to establish that he knows something by showing how nicely he can fit a line to his batch data, but any fit below 10^2 votes and most of the ones below 10^3 batches are MEANINGLESS. Any linearity is coming from the overall vote % at time of the batch was collected and not the actually batch percentage of votes.
      The original data set is time series of cumulative votes and the cumulative percentage of Republican and Democrat votes at the time rounded to .1%. The original thread then took the percentage multiplied it by total votes to get Democrat and Republican votes at each time stamp and then took the difference over time to create their per Batch vote# and Republican vs Democrat. Then took the ratio of R and D assuming it the percentage of the batch. But lets say I have 100k votes already that 50% 50% then I add 99 votes that are 100% one side. The next data point will show the vote count from the cumulative data is 100,099 votes at 50.0%/50.0% and by his methodology the batch will have the 99 votes equally divided 50% 50% cause the cumulative percentage is rounded to .1% instead of the 50.0499%. So any batch that is significantly smaller than the total or a insignificant effect on the vote percentages when added will reflect the cumulative vote percentage at the time.

      This is further shown when the data plotted over time per batch with the D/R percentage which is randomly changing early. Since each batch adds a significant portion of votes at the time of cumulative votes and is less effected by the rounding percentage, but as time goes the rounding errors smooth the data to the D/R % at the time the batch is added. Original thread bullshit explanation that voting in person produce random results cause of areas political alignment and but the later mail in votes are shuffled and homogeneous is pure Poppy cock. And what ever the hell this means.

      than the rest of the ballots quite possibly bc additional ballots were added to the batch, either through backdating or ballot manufacturing or software tampering. This of this being kind of analogous to carbon-14 dating, but for ballot batch authenticity.

      The Problem is the original poster either doesn’t know a dam thing or is being manipulative and using his improper methodology as proof of malfeasance.
      Here is a piece of the thread I linked to earlier with a chart showing the change scale and a large # votes that bent significantly to Biden that was off the original threads scale that, caused the “Glitch” cause the cumulative count had significantly changed.

      I’m sure this will fall on deaf ears of Partisan hacks around here who grasp at any straw that will reinforce their view and won’t take a deeper look at it and would rather derp derp on my grammar, spelling and my language deficiencies.

  30. I wouldn’t worry that the Libertarian vote threw any state to Biden, because it’s not a factor in vote tabulation software, which reads.

    Rep_total_votes = sum (Republican_votes)
    Dem_total_Votes = Rep_total_votes + 20000 + random(10000)

    You can subtract as many Republican votes as you want to the Libertarian, and it just produces slightly fewer fraudulent Democrat votes.

    Anyway, SpaceNews says Biden Admin expected to emphasize climate science over Lunar exploration at NASA. He’s also expected to appoint a new administrator.

    Thankfully he’ll actually be in prison instead, but this gives us a glimpse of a Biden NASA that goes back to running around in circles, telling us we’re all killing the planet.

    1. On the NASA front; I expect Biden to be exactly like Obama, and not care about NASA other than “Science!”. So I guessed that headline before I ever saw it. Of course, the good news is that leaves more room for the commercial guys to run. Musk isn’t going to give up his dream because of Biden. NASA will return to being the useless gravy train its resistance movement wanted it to be.

    2. The same people who are saying Trump politicized the FDA by cutting regulations in order to use PPPs, not seizing the means of production, to speed up the development of different plague tests and what labs could process them in order to handle over 1.4 million tests a day and use the same approach to develop a vaccine are going to say it is necessary and just to politicize NASA and sciencism.

      It is too bad Trump didn’t defend what his administration has accomplished better in the debates. Democrats, and their media, simultaneously claimed Trump had no plan while literally attacking the actions taken to fight the virus. One week its a massive freak out over not enough tests and how important testing is but then total silience when we test over a million people a day. Haven’t heard anything about having excess ventilators in a while either.

      1. Trump mentioned the excess ventilators in every single rally. He pointed out that the production was so high we are giving them to other countries. He said no one died because they could not get to a ventilator.

  31. Doesn’t young presidential candidates cause high voters turn out?
    Why do two ancient white men, cause such a high number of people voting?

    Do we even want older people running in the future?
    Don’t we want more Americans voting in an election in the future?

  32. One of the numbers that are being talked about is the number of votes in the “Dominion” system that were switched from Trump to Biden – the voter’s input was overriden.

    To know that, you’d have to know what the original input was and what the output was.

    Do they have that data?

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