11 thoughts on “Miscarriages And Ectopic Pregnancies”
I reckon that a surprising number of men have ectopic pregnancies, so this is an issue for all of us.
OK, so fool me once, same on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
So why is anyone still listening to Twitter twits? Some kind of condition that prevents rational thought?
Tribalism; someone on “my side” is instantly more believable than someone on the “other side”, even if my guy is a pathological liar.
What I found interesting in the link is that Dr. Boles just doesn’t use the “a-word” to describe the procedure used to save the life of a mother.
Dr. Brent Boles, a Tennessee OB-GYN, noted that in 30 years of practice he has never had to intentionally kill a baby to save the life of a mother. And even if he would have at some point been faced with that decision, “saving women with miscarriages and ectopics also isn’t abortion.”
I am not a doctor, but to me he is playing semantic games. In his definition all abortions must be elective? Maybe it’s a convenient way to work around the law in Tennessee. Just don’t call it that.
Disagree, it’s not semantics, rather, as a doctor, he’s being precise. Generally speaking, when people say “abortion” they’re talking about induced abortion: a medical procedure intended to terminate a pregnancy. Miscarriage or ectopic pregnancies by definition are non-viable, so any surgery to repair damage to the woman’s body as a result isn’t an abortion.
Generally speaking…. There is nothing to disagree about. He is using the term abortion to describe ‘induced abortion’. But if that is all abortion is meant to describe, the adjective ‘induced’ wouldn’t be necessary would it? I stand by what I said.
I somewhat distinctly remember, while sitting in the room waiting for the doctor to confirm my wife’s uterus was empty after our first miscarriage, and while waiting for confirmation that our next 8 week ultrasound was for a fetus without a heartbeat, all of the paperwork referring to both events with the abbreviation “S.A.”, or “spontaneous abortion”.
That kind of thing sticks with a person…
It may be “precision”, but it was hard to walk away from those events feeling like it wasn’t just another form of “normalization”.
An interesting link in the above story that should not be overlooked and discusses possible consequences that go to the heart of Rand’s OP.
They (the never Trumpers) will never admit it of course but this is the power of a politician who actually keeps his promises. No wonder they hate and fear him so.
“After Roe, Never Trumpers Should Just Admit They Were Wrong”
“Make no mistake: without Trump, Roe would still be on the books. No other Republican candidate could have beaten Hillary Clinton in 2016, and no other GOP president would have yielded the results Trump did once in office.
Trump didn’t just deliver three solid originalist justices to the Supreme Court, he did so despite enormous pressure from Democrats and the media — pressure that any other politician almost certainly would have submitted to. Would any other Republican president have stood by Brett Kavanaugh amid the orchestrated smear campaign against him, or nominated someone like Amy Coney Barrett to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg less than six weeks before the 2020 presidential election? Of course not, and everyone knows it.”
My mother had a miscarriage at the dinner table when I was a teen. I had my illegitimate toddler half-brother in my lap, trying to get him to eat mashed potatoes when she said she need an ambulance. At the time, it was explained to me by the ob/gyn she went to for the follow-up d&c, that miscarriage was first trimester, spontaneous abortion second trimester, and premature birth third trimester. He also told me he was annoyed that people were misusing “abortion” to mean “induced abortion.” But words change usage, willy-nilly. I think I was 17 at the time, so all this was pretty exciting.
I reckon that a surprising number of men have ectopic pregnancies, so this is an issue for all of us.
OK, so fool me once, same on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
So why is anyone still listening to Twitter twits? Some kind of condition that prevents rational thought?
Tribalism; someone on “my side” is instantly more believable than someone on the “other side”, even if my guy is a pathological liar.
What I found interesting in the link is that Dr. Boles just doesn’t use the “a-word” to describe the procedure used to save the life of a mother.
Dr. Brent Boles, a Tennessee OB-GYN, noted that in 30 years of practice he has never had to intentionally kill a baby to save the life of a mother. And even if he would have at some point been faced with that decision, “saving women with miscarriages and ectopics also isn’t abortion.”
I am not a doctor, but to me he is playing semantic games. In his definition all abortions must be elective? Maybe it’s a convenient way to work around the law in Tennessee. Just don’t call it that.
Disagree, it’s not semantics, rather, as a doctor, he’s being precise. Generally speaking, when people say “abortion” they’re talking about induced abortion: a medical procedure intended to terminate a pregnancy. Miscarriage or ectopic pregnancies by definition are non-viable, so any surgery to repair damage to the woman’s body as a result isn’t an abortion.
Generally speaking…. There is nothing to disagree about. He is using the term abortion to describe ‘induced abortion’. But if that is all abortion is meant to describe, the adjective ‘induced’ wouldn’t be necessary would it? I stand by what I said.
I somewhat distinctly remember, while sitting in the room waiting for the doctor to confirm my wife’s uterus was empty after our first miscarriage, and while waiting for confirmation that our next 8 week ultrasound was for a fetus without a heartbeat, all of the paperwork referring to both events with the abbreviation “S.A.”, or “spontaneous abortion”.
That kind of thing sticks with a person…
It may be “precision”, but it was hard to walk away from those events feeling like it wasn’t just another form of “normalization”.
What’s in a word?
An interesting link in the above story that should not be overlooked and discusses possible consequences that go to the heart of Rand’s OP.
They (the never Trumpers) will never admit it of course but this is the power of a politician who actually keeps his promises. No wonder they hate and fear him so.
“After Roe, Never Trumpers Should Just Admit They Were Wrong”
“Make no mistake: without Trump, Roe would still be on the books. No other Republican candidate could have beaten Hillary Clinton in 2016, and no other GOP president would have yielded the results Trump did once in office.
Trump didn’t just deliver three solid originalist justices to the Supreme Court, he did so despite enormous pressure from Democrats and the media — pressure that any other politician almost certainly would have submitted to. Would any other Republican president have stood by Brett Kavanaugh amid the orchestrated smear campaign against him, or nominated someone like Amy Coney Barrett to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg less than six weeks before the 2020 presidential election? Of course not, and everyone knows it.”
https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/28/after-roe-never-trumpers-should-just-admit-they-were-wrong/
My mother had a miscarriage at the dinner table when I was a teen. I had my illegitimate toddler half-brother in my lap, trying to get him to eat mashed potatoes when she said she need an ambulance. At the time, it was explained to me by the ob/gyn she went to for the follow-up d&c, that miscarriage was first trimester, spontaneous abortion second trimester, and premature birth third trimester. He also told me he was annoyed that people were misusing “abortion” to mean “induced abortion.” But words change usage, willy-nilly. I think I was 17 at the time, so all this was pretty exciting.