It would be bad for everyone, urban/rural or red/blue don’t matter.
Destroying things is easy and commies can be trained to fight just like anyone else.
When I see people on the right talking like something like this is going to happen, I ask, “What would you have to do after the war to rebuild society and why can’t you do that right now?”
People on the left’s view of reality is that they are already in a revolution. Their goal is to overthrow society and replace it with a new one. They are already doing what they would do after a civil war to rebuild the country.
One of those things is control the military.
That’s one of the issues, I think. Those who are not a part of the leftie revolution don’t yet comprehend the scale of the mess that threatens them, and likely won’t until it is too late.
See: History.
The mushroom clouds that form over the landscape when our nuclear armed foes see a breakdown in our C&C and fear the consequences and therefore act first because they perceive a very real non-retaliatory first strike opportunity, don’t discriminate between red/blue either.
It will be a different kind of Red on our shores, post invasion, when they offer the survivors medical treatment, food and shelter. Folks, need I remind anyone? This is not 1860.
The Left’s ambition to destroy the current society, then rebuild it to its own view of an ideal world is in its first phase: the destruction of current society. As for the second phase, the Left may be able to establish a social order, of sorts, in which survivors are categorized and locked into various social positions, all of it enforced by the tricks of peer manipulation which constitute the Left’s only skill set. But the physical survival of people requires the creation of wealth, by which I mean the physical values of food, water, shelter, clothing, etc.
It’s here that the Left is clueless. The best single summation of socialism I’ve ever encountered, by David Horowitz: “In the vast library of socialist books, there’s not a single volume on how to create wealth, only how to take and “redistribute” it.”
Well, when you have destroyed society, there renally isn’t anything left to take and “redistribute”, is there?
The people who are at the very top of the Leftist pyramid know this. There aren’t many of them, but their goal is the extinction of humanity, the genocide of human beings, the final “final solution.”
The real problem is the interregnum between what is now and whatever government eventually succeeds to control.
The interregnum will be death, destruction and chaos on an unimaginable scale. That is what Civil War 2 will bring.
I don’t wish for it. Don’t look forward to it, but is it inevitable? God, I hope not.
That said, “A prudent man forsees the evil and hides himself.”
As an aside, I’d like to know which “SF guys” he’s talking about, since most of the ones I ever met or even saw were obese blowhards. There’s a lot in SFdom like this, and always has been. Typical example is the idea James Tiptree (Alice Sheldon) and her husband “Ting” were “spies.” She was a secretary, and he was a report pusher (and retired champion squash player). The one full-blown SFnal CIA analyst I knew was more than a hundred pounds overweight. I realize being fat isn’t a sin (unless you got there via gluttony), but it’s an indicator of something. It goes back into the deep past as when E.E. Smith, PhD was a dominant figure in SF, but was a “grain chemist” (described by one critic as a “doughnut mix specialist”). Nothing’s changed.
Believe it or not, Special Forces exist and have existed for a long time. Just because mentally ill people want to claim some of the aura that surrounds means not a damned thing in the great scheme of things. The ones that actually were SF — you probably met them and never knew because the majority of SF are quiet professionals.
Former Navy SEAL favorite EDC, lawn chair, chainsaw, exercise, truck, ect are a thing too lol
Larry was using SF as an abbreviation for Special Forces, not Science Fiction.
Oh, that’s hilarious! My only (weak) excuse is, I have the flu. Reminds me of the early days of search engines. when I typed in SFWA, then wondered why I was looking at links to the South Florida Wildlife Association and the San Francisco Water Authority. Maybe I’ve become a bot in my old age…
I thought you meant special forces and it made me chuckle because there are a number out there like you describe but most keep up with their fitness post-service these days.
What I want to know is what do men who really do work for the CIA use for a pickup line?
Everyone wants to be loved and everyone has a kink.
…and we know what is yours.
Special Forces, not Science Fiction writers.
On first read, I thought he meant San Francisco guys, which would be really funny to see how long they would last.
For certain, the cities would be in a great deal of pain. Our cities are pretty resilient, but a widespread attack on multiple locations, such that resources couldn’t concentrate on one region as they do for natural events, would be deadly. And often we know about and prepare for natural events, such as major storms. Even then, I’ve seen people lose their shit when the power stays off for more than 24 hours. Make it 72 hours and no potable water, and things go sideways quick. I do think local supplies might last as long as 2 weeks, but after that, much of the food people eat will spoil. No power, no water without boiling (good luck to those that went all electric), and then food supplies spoiling; it gets bad quick.
That said, I don’t think anything could be sustained for 2 weeks. To really be successful, you’d have to get other countries to somehow stay out of the mess. I don’t think Commonwealth nations would sit idle while watching thousands then millions of Americans starting to die in some national suicidal conflict. And I don’t think anyone can plan on all those countries having their own internal strife.
“and then food supplies spoiling; it gets bad quick.”
My neighbors chickens and rabbits wont last long.
I was idly thinking as I rode the Yellow Line from VA into DC and looking out the window, as a CSX train was crossing the Potomac on the next bridge over, and I started to think of how few bridges there are over the Potomac, and I don’t know how many rail bridges there are, but all I know of for DC is the one. It made me glad to think that I’m living on the “supply side” of the Potomac, not the “demand side.”
Do people not read all the preceding comments in their zeal to seem oh-so-smart? To be fair, even if I were a little less doped up, I mainly associate Correia with Monster Hunter. I’ve read none of it, so I’m just guessing it might be some kind of science fiction.
Science Fiction Gun Nut Lovecraftian/MGM Horror. Fun stuff.
It would be bad for everyone, urban/rural or red/blue don’t matter.
Destroying things is easy and commies can be trained to fight just like anyone else.
When I see people on the right talking like something like this is going to happen, I ask, “What would you have to do after the war to rebuild society and why can’t you do that right now?”
People on the left’s view of reality is that they are already in a revolution. Their goal is to overthrow society and replace it with a new one. They are already doing what they would do after a civil war to rebuild the country.
One of those things is control the military.
That’s one of the issues, I think. Those who are not a part of the leftie revolution don’t yet comprehend the scale of the mess that threatens them, and likely won’t until it is too late.
See: History.
The mushroom clouds that form over the landscape when our nuclear armed foes see a breakdown in our C&C and fear the consequences and therefore act first because they perceive a very real non-retaliatory first strike opportunity, don’t discriminate between red/blue either.
It will be a different kind of Red on our shores, post invasion, when they offer the survivors medical treatment, food and shelter. Folks, need I remind anyone? This is not 1860.
The Left’s ambition to destroy the current society, then rebuild it to its own view of an ideal world is in its first phase: the destruction of current society. As for the second phase, the Left may be able to establish a social order, of sorts, in which survivors are categorized and locked into various social positions, all of it enforced by the tricks of peer manipulation which constitute the Left’s only skill set. But the physical survival of people requires the creation of wealth, by which I mean the physical values of food, water, shelter, clothing, etc.
It’s here that the Left is clueless. The best single summation of socialism I’ve ever encountered, by David Horowitz: “In the vast library of socialist books, there’s not a single volume on how to create wealth, only how to take and “redistribute” it.”
Well, when you have destroyed society, there renally isn’t anything left to take and “redistribute”, is there?
The people who are at the very top of the Leftist pyramid know this. There aren’t many of them, but their goal is the extinction of humanity, the genocide of human beings, the final “final solution.”
The real problem is the interregnum between what is now and whatever government eventually succeeds to control.
The interregnum will be death, destruction and chaos on an unimaginable scale. That is what Civil War 2 will bring.
I don’t wish for it. Don’t look forward to it, but is it inevitable? God, I hope not.
That said, “A prudent man forsees the evil and hides himself.”
As an aside, I’d like to know which “SF guys” he’s talking about, since most of the ones I ever met or even saw were obese blowhards. There’s a lot in SFdom like this, and always has been. Typical example is the idea James Tiptree (Alice Sheldon) and her husband “Ting” were “spies.” She was a secretary, and he was a report pusher (and retired champion squash player). The one full-blown SFnal CIA analyst I knew was more than a hundred pounds overweight. I realize being fat isn’t a sin (unless you got there via gluttony), but it’s an indicator of something. It goes back into the deep past as when E.E. Smith, PhD was a dominant figure in SF, but was a “grain chemist” (described by one critic as a “doughnut mix specialist”). Nothing’s changed.
Believe it or not, Special Forces exist and have existed for a long time. Just because mentally ill people want to claim some of the aura that surrounds means not a damned thing in the great scheme of things. The ones that actually were SF — you probably met them and never knew because the majority of SF are quiet professionals.
Former Navy SEAL favorite EDC, lawn chair, chainsaw, exercise, truck, ect are a thing too lol
Larry was using SF as an abbreviation for Special Forces, not Science Fiction.
Oh, that’s hilarious! My only (weak) excuse is, I have the flu. Reminds me of the early days of search engines. when I typed in SFWA, then wondered why I was looking at links to the South Florida Wildlife Association and the San Francisco Water Authority. Maybe I’ve become a bot in my old age…
I thought you meant special forces and it made me chuckle because there are a number out there like you describe but most keep up with their fitness post-service these days.
What I want to know is what do men who really do work for the CIA use for a pickup line?
Everyone wants to be loved and everyone has a kink.
…and we know what is yours.
Special Forces, not Science Fiction writers.
On first read, I thought he meant San Francisco guys, which would be really funny to see how long they would last.
For certain, the cities would be in a great deal of pain. Our cities are pretty resilient, but a widespread attack on multiple locations, such that resources couldn’t concentrate on one region as they do for natural events, would be deadly. And often we know about and prepare for natural events, such as major storms. Even then, I’ve seen people lose their shit when the power stays off for more than 24 hours. Make it 72 hours and no potable water, and things go sideways quick. I do think local supplies might last as long as 2 weeks, but after that, much of the food people eat will spoil. No power, no water without boiling (good luck to those that went all electric), and then food supplies spoiling; it gets bad quick.
That said, I don’t think anything could be sustained for 2 weeks. To really be successful, you’d have to get other countries to somehow stay out of the mess. I don’t think Commonwealth nations would sit idle while watching thousands then millions of Americans starting to die in some national suicidal conflict. And I don’t think anyone can plan on all those countries having their own internal strife.
“and then food supplies spoiling; it gets bad quick.”
My neighbors chickens and rabbits wont last long.
I was idly thinking as I rode the Yellow Line from VA into DC and looking out the window, as a CSX train was crossing the Potomac on the next bridge over, and I started to think of how few bridges there are over the Potomac, and I don’t know how many rail bridges there are, but all I know of for DC is the one. It made me glad to think that I’m living on the “supply side” of the Potomac, not the “demand side.”
Do people not read all the preceding comments in their zeal to seem oh-so-smart? To be fair, even if I were a little less doped up, I mainly associate Correia with Monster Hunter. I’ve read none of it, so I’m just guessing it might be some kind of science fiction.
Science Fiction Gun Nut Lovecraftian/MGM Horror. Fun stuff.