But he went to Harvard!! That automatically makes whatever he says (whoever he is) more important than what Sarah Palin says, don’t you know? [/sarcasm]
Bush 43 graduated from Yale and Harvard but we were told he’s an idiot. Obama graduated from Harvard Law and we’re told (without a shred of evidence) that he’s a genius. Van Jones graduated from Yale.
Maybe the Ivy League isn’t as great as they believe.
It’s astonishing to me how someone as stupid as Palin is struck the largest blow against Obamacare.
[/snark]
Ah the democrats, the party of projection. Just seeing the heads spinning over at HuffPo right now is a hoot. Time to get my popcorn on.
Bush 43 graduated from Yale and Harvard but we were told he’s an idiot. Obama graduated from Harvard Law and we’re told (without a shred of evidence) that he’s a genius.
I’ll happiy stipulate that Harvard and Yale graduates span the range from average to genius intelligence, so a diploma in and of itself does not say much. But it does mean more for someone of Obama’s generation than for someone of Bush’s — Bush got into Yale just before Ivy admissions became more focused on test scores and less on elite social status. It is probably not a coincidence that none of Bush’s younger siblings followed him (and his father, and grandfather) to Yale.
It also means more (as a marker of intellectual ability) to be president of the Harvard Law Review than it does to simply graduate from the Harvard Business School.
Oh Jim, thank you for your blind support of someone who won’t release his transcripts, test scores or anything else and is the only Review prez not to write anything while the Prez Do you want the blue shirt or the brown one?.
the only Review prez not to write anything while the Prez
Do you have a source for that claim? I was under the impression that most law review presidents did not write articles while serving president. Obama did write a law review article before he was its president.
Members of the law review are chosen based on first year grades and a writing competition. One way or another Obama placed at the top of his class (each year about 40 new editors are chosen from a class of over 500).
He went on to be offered a teaching job (and later tenure) by the University of Chicago, another top-5 law school that is known for its top-notch faculty, where he was spoken of highly by students and faculty of various political persuasions.
Like anyone in academia will dare say anything less than adulatory about Obama.
Jim? Jim… You have something on your nose…
Ad hominem? Moi?
Well, if Jim can’t be bothered to come up with anything better than “Bush got in before they got strict, cuz I said so!” I feel little compulsion to exceed his (low) standards.
Jim also neglects to mention that Bush gained an MBA from Harvard, as opposed to just graduating from Harvard Business School.
Still, that’s the irony other commenters have noticed, which Jim deliberately ignores: for the left, a Harvard or Yale degree is a mark of superiority. Such a degree a sine qua non for the modern progressive. On the other hand, a Harvard or Yale degree granted to a (gasp!) conservative is obvious evidence of elite social status.
One wonders if Chelsea Clinton’s degree is also evidence of elite social status?
Jimmy is self-evidently oblivious to the old saying “Sauce for the goose…”
Yea, sounds like someone who should be rip roaring ready to taught their accomplishments at said establishments. Otherwise, it just continues to sound like someone who placed first in the special olympics. What? He said so himself…I’d be willing to wager that his college transcripts are on pair with is bowling score.
Pair=par
I get punchy when I’m punchy.
When your enemies resort to ad hominem attacks you know that you are getting to them.
Hahahaha! Armbinder says Sarah should “burnish her policy skills.” I suggest he should polish his writing skills!
Anyone notice that he used “principals” in place of “principles” and misspelled “trenchant?”
I guess Armbinder forgets that 15 seconds after they announced that Palin was the VP choice, McCain’s crowd shuffled her off to the left, behind the curtains, like a leper at a pool party. She has to have some policy experience, as a Governor she had to run a state and deal with Federal Agencies regularly.
I personally refuse to believe that it’s much more important, and impressive, to a political career to be an elected official from the NE or Left Coast, then it is such “backwater” places like Alaska. Although how being a neighborhood rabble rouser, or just a 2 year US Senator, makes you a better policy person, or smarter, than a sitting Governor with local and state experience gets lost on me.
Of course, I have to admit, Palin also has the bad form to look like and act like a real person, instead of the typical BS public figure, elected demigod.
And Jim, as usual, your like a diaper, and I don’t mean a wet one. I’m talking brown, dirty, schtinkin’, funky, baby mess diaper.
And yet another reference (“Palin and her writer”) to the fact that Palin — like most politicians — gets help with her written pieces. And that’s important, why?
(Don’t these Palin-bashers know when their bigotry is showing?)
That’s either grades or a writing competition. Class rank has nothing to do with half of the selectees. I cannot find the story I read last fall. His “article” was a short case comment; not the usual submission by what is essentially the editor-in-chief. I could not find another Prez who did not write a real article.
See below.
Change in Selection System
Mr. Obama was elected after a meeting of the review’s 80 editors that convened Sunday and lasted until early this morning, a participant said.
Until the 1970’s the editors were picked on the basis of grades, and the president of the Law Review was the student with the highest academic rank. Among these were Elliot L. Richardson, the former Attorney General, and Irwin Griswold, a dean of the Harvard Law School and Solicitor General under Presidents Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard M. Nixon.
That system came under attack in the 1970’s and was replaced by a program in which about half the editors are chosen for their grades and the other half are chosen by fellow students after a special writing competition. The new system, disputed when it began, was meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review.
Harvard, like a number of other top law schools, no longer ranks its law students for any purpose including a guide to recruiters
(Don’t these Palin-bashers know when their bigotry is showing?)
I think it’s just an illustration of how subjective the bug/feature dichotomy can be. Obviously among proggs there is such a thing as “good” bigotry.
It’s their world. Our shadows are merely projected on its back wall.
Jim also neglects to mention that Bush gained an MBA from Harvard, as opposed to just graduating from Harvard Business School.
LOL. Were you under the impression that it’s possible to graduate from HBS with anything less than an MBA?!?
On the other hand, a Harvard or Yale degree granted to a (gasp!) conservative is obvious evidence of elite social status.
No. I don’t think that Ross Douthat or David Vitter or John Roberts got their Harvard diplomas based on social status. And I don’t think it’s necessarily a sign of high intelligence, for a liberal or a conservative (for what it’s worth, the dumbest person I met at Harvard was a politically apathetic moderate, and the second-dumbest was a leftist). That said, I don’t think you’ll find many unintelligent people who were chosen for the Harvard Law Review.
His “article” was a short case comment; not the usual submission by what is essentially the editor-in-chief.
Obama was a 2L, not “essentially the editor-in-chief,” when he wrote his six page article. I’m still interested in evidence that he’s the only Harvard Law Review president to not have a piece published while serving as president.
The new system, disputed when it began, was meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review.
You seem to be getting at an implication that Obama was an affirmative action choice for the review. That is possible, but unknowable. You can click my name to read a letter that Obama wrote in 1991 on the subject of affirmative action at the Harvard Law Review. An excerpt:
The Selection Committee first identifies the group of candidates whose excellent performance, either in the classroom or on the writing competition, sets them apart. (Approximately half of this first batch is chosen solely on their performance on the writing competition; the other half are selected on a weighted formula of 70 percent grades and 30 percent writing competition.) The Selection Committee must then choose the remaining editors from a pool of qualified candidates whose grades or writing competition scores do not significantly differ. It is at this stage that the Law Review as for several years instituted an affirmative action policy for historically underrepresented groups: out of this pool, the Selection Committee may take race or physical handicap into account in making their final decision, if the Selection Committee believes that such affirmative action will enhance the representativeness of the incoming class. On the other hand, the Selection Committee may find that given the make-up of the first batch of candidates, such considerations are unnecessary. In no event is the Selection Committee required to meet any set quotas.
Once final selections are made, all writing competition material is destroyed. No editors on the Review will ever know whether any given editor was selected on the basis of grades, writing competition, or affirmative action, and no editors who were selected with affirmative action in mind.
So even the affirmative action selectees, if there are any, come from a pool of candidates whose scores “do not significantly differ” from those of the editors chosen solely on the basis of those scores. In Obama’s particular case it’s impossible to imagine him being elected President if his (highly competitive) peers did not consider him intellectually qualified for the job.
Like anyone in academia will dare say anything less than adulatory about Obama.
How, exactly, does that explain the praise that dates from the 1990s? Obama got the job at U. Chicago based on a recommendation from Michael W. McConnell, now a conservative federal judge. McConnell was impressed by Obama’s editing of an article McConnell wrote for the Harvard Law Review. McConnell told Politico, “A frequent problem with student editors is that they try to turn an article into something they want it to be. It was striking that Obama didn’t do that. He tried to make it better from my point of view.”
But he went to Harvard!! That automatically makes whatever he says (whoever he is) more important than what Sarah Palin says, don’t you know? [/sarcasm]
Bush 43 graduated from Yale and Harvard but we were told he’s an idiot. Obama graduated from Harvard Law and we’re told (without a shred of evidence) that he’s a genius. Van Jones graduated from Yale.
Maybe the Ivy League isn’t as great as they believe.
It’s astonishing to me how someone as stupid as Palin is struck the largest blow against Obamacare.
[/snark]
Ah the democrats, the party of projection. Just seeing the heads spinning over at HuffPo right now is a hoot. Time to get my popcorn on.
Bush 43 graduated from Yale and Harvard but we were told he’s an idiot. Obama graduated from Harvard Law and we’re told (without a shred of evidence) that he’s a genius.
I’ll happiy stipulate that Harvard and Yale graduates span the range from average to genius intelligence, so a diploma in and of itself does not say much. But it does mean more for someone of Obama’s generation than for someone of Bush’s — Bush got into Yale just before Ivy admissions became more focused on test scores and less on elite social status. It is probably not a coincidence that none of Bush’s younger siblings followed him (and his father, and grandfather) to Yale.
It also means more (as a marker of intellectual ability) to be president of the Harvard Law Review than it does to simply graduate from the Harvard Business School.
Oh Jim, thank you for your blind support of someone who won’t release his transcripts, test scores or anything else and is the only Review prez not to write anything while the Prez Do you want the blue shirt or the brown one?.
the only Review prez not to write anything while the Prez
Do you have a source for that claim? I was under the impression that most law review presidents did not write articles while serving president. Obama did write a law review article before he was its president.
Members of the law review are chosen based on first year grades and a writing competition. One way or another Obama placed at the top of his class (each year about 40 new editors are chosen from a class of over 500).
He went on to be offered a teaching job (and later tenure) by the University of Chicago, another top-5 law school that is known for its top-notch faculty, where he was spoken of highly by students and faculty of various political persuasions.
Like anyone in academia will dare say anything less than adulatory about Obama.
Jim? Jim… You have something on your nose…
Ad hominem? Moi?
Well, if Jim can’t be bothered to come up with anything better than “Bush got in before they got strict, cuz I said so!” I feel little compulsion to exceed his (low) standards.
Jim also neglects to mention that Bush gained an MBA from Harvard, as opposed to just graduating from Harvard Business School.
Still, that’s the irony other commenters have noticed, which Jim deliberately ignores: for the left, a Harvard or Yale degree is a mark of superiority. Such a degree a sine qua non for the modern progressive. On the other hand, a Harvard or Yale degree granted to a (gasp!) conservative is obvious evidence of elite social status.
One wonders if Chelsea Clinton’s degree is also evidence of elite social status?
Jimmy is self-evidently oblivious to the old saying “Sauce for the goose…”
Yea, sounds like someone who should be rip roaring ready to taught their accomplishments at said establishments. Otherwise, it just continues to sound like someone who placed first in the special olympics. What? He said so himself…I’d be willing to wager that his college transcripts are on pair with is bowling score.
Pair=par
I get punchy when I’m punchy.
When your enemies resort to ad hominem attacks you know that you are getting to them.
Hahahaha! Armbinder says Sarah should “burnish her policy skills.” I suggest he should polish his writing skills!
Anyone notice that he used “principals” in place of “principles” and misspelled “trenchant?”
I guess Armbinder forgets that 15 seconds after they announced that Palin was the VP choice, McCain’s crowd shuffled her off to the left, behind the curtains, like a leper at a pool party. She has to have some policy experience, as a Governor she had to run a state and deal with Federal Agencies regularly.
I personally refuse to believe that it’s much more important, and impressive, to a political career to be an elected official from the NE or Left Coast, then it is such “backwater” places like Alaska. Although how being a neighborhood rabble rouser, or just a 2 year US Senator, makes you a better policy person, or smarter, than a sitting Governor with local and state experience gets lost on me.
Of course, I have to admit, Palin also has the bad form to look like and act like a real person, instead of the typical BS public figure, elected demigod.
And Jim, as usual, your like a diaper, and I don’t mean a wet one. I’m talking brown, dirty, schtinkin’, funky, baby mess diaper.
And yet another reference (“Palin and her writer”) to the fact that Palin — like most politicians — gets help with her written pieces. And that’s important, why?
(Don’t these Palin-bashers know when their bigotry is showing?)
That’s either grades or a writing competition. Class rank has nothing to do with half of the selectees. I cannot find the story I read last fall. His “article” was a short case comment; not the usual submission by what is essentially the editor-in-chief. I could not find another Prez who did not write a real article.
See below.
Change in Selection System
Mr. Obama was elected after a meeting of the review’s 80 editors that convened Sunday and lasted until early this morning, a participant said.
Until the 1970’s the editors were picked on the basis of grades, and the president of the Law Review was the student with the highest academic rank. Among these were Elliot L. Richardson, the former Attorney General, and Irwin Griswold, a dean of the Harvard Law School and Solicitor General under Presidents Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard M. Nixon.
That system came under attack in the 1970’s and was replaced by a program in which about half the editors are chosen for their grades and the other half are chosen by fellow students after a special writing competition. The new system, disputed when it began, was meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review.
Harvard, like a number of other top law schools, no longer ranks its law students for any purpose including a guide to recruiters
I think it’s just an illustration of how subjective the bug/feature dichotomy can be. Obviously among proggs there is such a thing as “good” bigotry.
It’s their world. Our shadows are merely projected on its back wall.
Jim also neglects to mention that Bush gained an MBA from Harvard, as opposed to just graduating from Harvard Business School.
LOL. Were you under the impression that it’s possible to graduate from HBS with anything less than an MBA?!?
On the other hand, a Harvard or Yale degree granted to a (gasp!) conservative is obvious evidence of elite social status.
No. I don’t think that Ross Douthat or David Vitter or John Roberts got their Harvard diplomas based on social status. And I don’t think it’s necessarily a sign of high intelligence, for a liberal or a conservative (for what it’s worth, the dumbest person I met at Harvard was a politically apathetic moderate, and the second-dumbest was a leftist). That said, I don’t think you’ll find many unintelligent people who were chosen for the Harvard Law Review.
His “article” was a short case comment; not the usual submission by what is essentially the editor-in-chief.
Obama was a 2L, not “essentially the editor-in-chief,” when he wrote his six page article. I’m still interested in evidence that he’s the only Harvard Law Review president to not have a piece published while serving as president.
The new system, disputed when it began, was meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review.
You seem to be getting at an implication that Obama was an affirmative action choice for the review. That is possible, but unknowable. You can click my name to read a letter that Obama wrote in 1991 on the subject of affirmative action at the Harvard Law Review. An excerpt:
So even the affirmative action selectees, if there are any, come from a pool of candidates whose scores “do not significantly differ” from those of the editors chosen solely on the basis of those scores. In Obama’s particular case it’s impossible to imagine him being elected President if his (highly competitive) peers did not consider him intellectually qualified for the job.
Like anyone in academia will dare say anything less than adulatory about Obama.
How, exactly, does that explain the praise that dates from the 1990s? Obama got the job at U. Chicago based on a recommendation from Michael W. McConnell, now a conservative federal judge. McConnell was impressed by Obama’s editing of an article McConnell wrote for the Harvard Law Review. McConnell told Politico, “A frequent problem with student editors is that they try to turn an article into something they want it to be. It was striking that Obama didn’t do that. He tried to make it better from my point of view.”