What awful problem with the Gnome desktop in F14 were they trying to fix with the completely screwed up revision in 15? What happened to the standard windows interface with its minimize, maximize and close buttons?
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They have altered the user interface.
Pray they do not alter it any further.
Seriously, I don’t think this is because of Fedora; they probably just moved to the new improved gnome interface, with extra added suffering. I understand Ubuntu has something similar.
I presume you are referring to the new ‘Unity’ desktop interface. There is, in fact, a massive debate going on in the Linux community about exactly that. A lot of people, myself included, have abandoned the Gnome desktop and the default Fedora/Ubuntu Gnome desktop. Personally, I suggest trying the Xfce desktop.
And a whole lot of people, including Linus Torvalds, seem to think it’s a woefully bad idea, with many of them switching to kde or xfce for their desktop. I’m waiting to see what debian is going to do.
This is not a new problem: http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html
Computers (OS) are still in there infancy. The best of them are glaringly bad. I have hope, but I will be dead first.
Talking to computer scientist tends to dull that hope. Most do not have a clue. They do not respect the power of simplicity. Simplicity doesn’t mean lacking ability. It doesn’t mean too simple.
Like a block of granite, they need to chisel away all the ugly stuff.
And a whole lot of people, including Linus Torvalds, seem to think it’s a woefully bad idea, with many of them switching to kde or xfce for their desktop.
Who thought it was a good idea, and why?
Blame the GNOME people, I haven’t switched to 15 for that exact reason.
I feel like I could possibly do without minimize, but the system menu is atrocious. The entire disaster is known as ‘gnome shell’ – but on the positive side, since the hiding ( which it is ) of the two buttons and the shell is one single piece of software, when they realize that making ‘hip’ phone/tablet interfaces for desktops is horrendous, it will be easy to fix.
Mike, that is so right. I just happen to be one of those programmers that likes maintenance. I usually end up with less code able to handle more.
I took over maintenance of a work order module that had 20,000 lines of code (the project had well over a million.) A year later, it had 10,000 lines of code (good thing I wasn’t being paid per line?) It worked better, had more features and was much easier to modify and maintain. I left that job for a year and they bloated the code back to 20,000 lines (with an ugly hack to add accounting features which were distributed throughout the code rather than in an accounting module which sort of made sense since the database didn’t include any ledgers either. That too was distributed throughout it’s so called design.)
Programmers seem to like to jump right in an add stuff willy nilly without thinking about big picture issues. Shorter version, they just like to add stuff.
Sorry, I quit Linux years ago – I need Windows for my business software.
What about the SLS announcement today?
I’m fine with GNOME 3 in F15 in general, but I have not used “minimize” function for 11 years now. I do think a conventional list of windows would be useful, since not applications are conforming (GIMP is the most glaring example, gvim is most painful).
Want your minimize, maximize and close buttons back? Install the gnome-tweak-tool.
Want your minimize, maximize and close buttons back?
That was the most immediate, obvious problem (and also one that it was completely non-obvious why they would take it away). But I imagine that as I play with it, I’ll find many others. It’s really a completely foreign environment. It’s as jarring as the Windows Office switch in 2007, which really confirmed my wisdom in moving to Open Office. It seems like change for the sake of change, not actually solving a problem.
I’ll second that! I hate the new format of Office. Not sure it would make sense to move to Open Office for me though – does anybody here use the Windows version?
I switched to KDE because of the new Gnome shell’s unique horribleness. I hadn’t liked KDE much the previous two times I’d tried it, but it’s improved a lot. I might give xfce a whirl again, though. Even if I use Windows 7 quite a bit, I don’t program on it. I did find that the former director of the Gnome project has a name more suited for adult entertainment: Stormy Peters.