His whole presidency and candidacy rests on phony claims.
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His whole presidency and candidacy rests on phony claims.
Don’t forget that 70-80 years on a majority of the population still believes FDR solved the first Great Depression.
I love the first one: Bush tax cuts didn’t cause the recession. The accompanying non-sequiter chart is of job levels (recessions affect job levels, but are defined by negative GDP slope). It starts in 2003, helpfully labeled “Bush tax cuts begin”. Of course Bush’s first tax cut was in 2001, and the missing years had negative job growth. The Y axis only ranges from 129 to 139, which exaggerates the slope. The X axis ends before the 2008 collapse, and leaves the impression that there was no recession under Bush, when in fact there were two.
And all of this cherry picking mess is there to refute a claim that no one makes.
The tax rates passed in 2001 (during the summer) applied to 2002, payable by April 15, 2003. Most of them were phased in, coming in steps till 2006.
That’s a great attempt to defend a terrible graph. But in fact the 2001 tax cuts included a rebate for anyone who filed a 2000 tax return, so the change had immediate effect (which was the idea).
It had a $500 tax rebate for the 2000 year, in a bill that was passed in the summer of 2001, so most people wouldn’t have gotten the money until sometime in 2002.
No, the checks were mailed out starting in July, 2001.
A graph purporting to examine the effects of the Bush tax cuts shouldn’t start in 2003.
Jim,
Explain how tax cuts causes a recession.
It doesn’t! Which is part of what makes that graph so silly: it’s responding to a straw man.
Oh, then I guess we all agree. Obama routinely employs this terrible strawman for an argument and it’s getting old.
Please show me an example of Obama saying that the Bush tax cuts caused the recession.
Sorry, I should have said: They don’t!
” Bush’s first tax cut was in 2001, and the missing years had negative job growth.”
Did something happen in 2001? Hmmmm. Also didn’t a recession start in early 2000?
Funny how Obama can use the Tsunami in Japan as an excuse for his poor economic record and the leftists accept that no questions asked but they can’t remember the real economic fallout of 9/11/01.
Oh and that 2000 recession, wouldn’t that be inherited from the democrat demigod William Jefferson Clinton? No wonder they forget that little bit of historical fact.
Not only that, but the country was already heading into recessoin when Bush 43 took office. Does the dot-com bust ring any bells?
Also didn’t a recession start in early 2000?
I think Titus can back me up on this, but the recession began in April 2000, when Judge Jackson pronounced his ruling in United States vs Microsoft.
The begining of the end was Judge Jackson’s “finding of fact” that MS was a monopoly in Nov 1999. That was the first hit, and GDP growth % fell from 7.4 to 1.1. It came back next quarter to a staggering 8, but after the final verdict it dropped like a stone to 0.3% — BSOD for the tech bubble.
didn’t a recession start in early 2000?
No, the recession started (GDP growth went negative) in March, 2001.
And I’m sure you really believe that the economy is improving because unemployment dropped from 8.1 to 7.8% despite only adding 114,000 jobs. You’re the same guy touting Obama adding 150,000 jobs a month just what, a month ago? Reading your stuff, Jim, is like seeing someone proclaim that the Titanic wasn’t doomed when it started taking on water but when the last of its stern slipped below the waves.
I’m not sure that the economy is improving much right now, because monthly job numbers have a huge margin of error. But the more reliable revised numbers from a few months ago make it appear that at least we haven’t been going backwards.
You’re the same guy touting Obama adding 150,000 jobs a month just what, a month ago?
We added 142,000 in August, and 161,000 in July.
Well then, let’s play a guessing game:
161
142
114
?
Jim would have us believe Obama has been a roaring success. Bring back the flappers.
I’ll take the flappers over Laura Fluke. And I’ll take Capone over Obama. Capone wouldn’t have let up on embassy security. And he understood markets.
I don’t think Obama’s been a roaring success when it comes to job growth (I do think he has been a roaring success overall, at least compared to every other president we’ve had in the last fifty years).
But on the subject of job growth, compare his record to his predecessor:
Bush jobs through 9/2004: -695k
Obama jobs through 9/2012: +325k
Both numbers are bad, but Bush’s wasn’t bad enough to keep him from getting narrowly re-elected, and Obama’s is somewhat less bad.
I think you need to review this again. You’d need to flip that graph comparing past recessions upside down to get “roaring success” out of it. Here’s a hint Jim: print it out and flip the paper instead of standing on your head.
“I do think he has been a roaring success overall, at least compared to every other president we’ve had in the last fifty years”
LoL! If you ever wanted to become a comedian you could use that one as your opener.
I’ll be here all night, be sure to tip your waitress.
We can’t. She lost her job in the Obama economy. BTW, has anybody noticed that the ratio of men/woman has changed in this occupation?
Obama repeated all of his debate attacks in his speech today and they played much better to the crowd when Romney wasn’t there to point out Obama is full of BS. It is like he went home and got black out drunk and forgot how Romney debunked his campaign strategy.
People have been saying that Obama was not aggressive or attacking but that isn’t the case. The problem for Obama was that Rommey disarmed all of Obama’s attacks. Did Obama not realize that Romney could actually respond to what he was saying?
Now Obama is out there saying Romney wants to throw Big Bird off the cliff but PBS will survive just fine without federal dollars. Sort of like the attacks that because conservatives don’t support free birth control that they want to ban birth control.
Yeah, I loved how Obama said that the Romney up on stage wasn’t the same strawman he’s been demagoging for all these months. That’s why Obama got bitch-slapped so severely in the debate. He’s not used to having anyone point out how he’s lying out his ass.
Obama repeated all of his debate attacks
Because that is how the big lie method works and they have nothing else.
His whole presidency and candidacy rests on phony claims.
Don’t forget that 70-80 years on a majority of the population still believes FDR solved the first Great Depression.
I love the first one: Bush tax cuts didn’t cause the recession. The accompanying non-sequiter chart is of job levels (recessions affect job levels, but are defined by negative GDP slope). It starts in 2003, helpfully labeled “Bush tax cuts begin”. Of course Bush’s first tax cut was in 2001, and the missing years had negative job growth. The Y axis only ranges from 129 to 139, which exaggerates the slope. The X axis ends before the 2008 collapse, and leaves the impression that there was no recession under Bush, when in fact there were two.
And all of this cherry picking mess is there to refute a claim that no one makes.
The tax rates passed in 2001 (during the summer) applied to 2002, payable by April 15, 2003. Most of them were phased in, coming in steps till 2006.
That’s a great attempt to defend a terrible graph. But in fact the 2001 tax cuts included a rebate for anyone who filed a 2000 tax return, so the change had immediate effect (which was the idea).
It had a $500 tax rebate for the 2000 year, in a bill that was passed in the summer of 2001, so most people wouldn’t have gotten the money until sometime in 2002.
No, the checks were mailed out starting in July, 2001.
A graph purporting to examine the effects of the Bush tax cuts shouldn’t start in 2003.
Jim,
Explain how tax cuts causes a recession.
It doesn’t! Which is part of what makes that graph so silly: it’s responding to a straw man.
Oh, then I guess we all agree. Obama routinely employs this terrible strawman for an argument and it’s getting old.
Please show me an example of Obama saying that the Bush tax cuts caused the recession.
Sorry, I should have said: They don’t!
” Bush’s first tax cut was in 2001, and the missing years had negative job growth.”
Did something happen in 2001? Hmmmm. Also didn’t a recession start in early 2000?
Funny how Obama can use the Tsunami in Japan as an excuse for his poor economic record and the leftists accept that no questions asked but they can’t remember the real economic fallout of 9/11/01.
Oh and that 2000 recession, wouldn’t that be inherited from the democrat demigod William Jefferson Clinton? No wonder they forget that little bit of historical fact.
Not only that, but the country was already heading into recessoin when Bush 43 took office. Does the dot-com bust ring any bells?
Also didn’t a recession start in early 2000?
I think Titus can back me up on this, but the recession began in April 2000, when Judge Jackson pronounced his ruling in United States vs Microsoft.
The begining of the end was Judge Jackson’s “finding of fact” that MS was a monopoly in Nov 1999. That was the first hit, and GDP growth % fell from 7.4 to 1.1. It came back next quarter to a staggering 8, but after the final verdict it dropped like a stone to 0.3% — BSOD for the tech bubble.
didn’t a recession start in early 2000?
No, the recession started (GDP growth went negative) in March, 2001.
And I’m sure you really believe that the economy is improving because unemployment dropped from 8.1 to 7.8% despite only adding 114,000 jobs. You’re the same guy touting Obama adding 150,000 jobs a month just what, a month ago? Reading your stuff, Jim, is like seeing someone proclaim that the Titanic wasn’t doomed when it started taking on water but when the last of its stern slipped below the waves.
I’m not sure that the economy is improving much right now, because monthly job numbers have a huge margin of error. But the more reliable revised numbers from a few months ago make it appear that at least we haven’t been going backwards.
You’re the same guy touting Obama adding 150,000 jobs a month just what, a month ago?
We added 142,000 in August, and 161,000 in July.
Well then, let’s play a guessing game:
161
142
114
?
Jim would have us believe Obama has been a roaring success. Bring back the flappers.
I’ll take the flappers over Laura Fluke. And I’ll take Capone over Obama. Capone wouldn’t have let up on embassy security. And he understood markets.
I don’t think Obama’s been a roaring success when it comes to job growth (I do think he has been a roaring success overall, at least compared to every other president we’ve had in the last fifty years).
But on the subject of job growth, compare his record to his predecessor:
Bush jobs through 9/2004: -695k
Obama jobs through 9/2012: +325k
Both numbers are bad, but Bush’s wasn’t bad enough to keep him from getting narrowly re-elected, and Obama’s is somewhat less bad.
I think you need to review this again. You’d need to flip that graph comparing past recessions upside down to get “roaring success” out of it. Here’s a hint Jim: print it out and flip the paper instead of standing on your head.
“I do think he has been a roaring success overall, at least compared to every other president we’ve had in the last fifty years”
LoL! If you ever wanted to become a comedian you could use that one as your opener.
I’ll be here all night, be sure to tip your waitress.
We can’t. She lost her job in the Obama economy. BTW, has anybody noticed that the ratio of men/woman has changed in this occupation?
3-D Printing a rocket engine
Not ready for primetime, but interesting.
Obama repeated all of his debate attacks in his speech today and they played much better to the crowd when Romney wasn’t there to point out Obama is full of BS. It is like he went home and got black out drunk and forgot how Romney debunked his campaign strategy.
People have been saying that Obama was not aggressive or attacking but that isn’t the case. The problem for Obama was that Rommey disarmed all of Obama’s attacks. Did Obama not realize that Romney could actually respond to what he was saying?
Now Obama is out there saying Romney wants to throw Big Bird off the cliff but PBS will survive just fine without federal dollars. Sort of like the attacks that because conservatives don’t support free birth control that they want to ban birth control.
Yeah, I loved how Obama said that the Romney up on stage wasn’t the same strawman he’s been demagoging for all these months. That’s why Obama got bitch-slapped so severely in the debate. He’s not used to having anyone point out how he’s lying out his ass.
Obama repeated all of his debate attacks
Because that is how the big lie method works and they have nothing else.