The difference is that for one it’s a job that they depend on to make a living, for the other it’s just a virtue signaling hobby.
Yeah, it’s doubtful that any of them will want to freely give their time to care for the garden so it can feed one person, much less thousands. It is also doubtful a group if them will freely give their time and toil either.
Some of the plants will live because even plants have the desire to fight through the adversity of dealing with a human hellscape in order to live another day. Many wont make it though, more victims of progressive Marxism. I feel so sorry for the pets.
This aggression cannot be allowed to stand in the country formerly known as CHAZ! I immediately call for proper plant representation on the Conflict Resolution Advisory Council! Therefore I demand at least TWO representative slots on the council for representative members for which the council guarantees the cost of pottage in order to attend when necessary. One slot/pot for deciduous and one for non-deciduous members. No rulings that effect deciduous members can be passed after late fall, during winter and not until after full foliage in the Spring. Any ruling can be revised in the following growth season upon demand by the deciduous member.
Take a stand against herbicide and herbivoreism! End the injustice of horticulture! Potted Plants on CRAC NOW! PPoC!
Any ruling can be revised in the following growth season upon demand by the [newly elected] deciduous member.
Given that a poll of truck drives shows that over 3/4 won’t pickup or deliver to areas that defund the police, I wonder how long it will be until urban leftards discover that food does not originate from supermarkets?
Well, they can always start little gardens. And then, when someone comes along and steals their crops, they can dial 911 and get a social worker who asks “how does that make you feel?”
Hungry?
So as a driver would You drive your 60,000$, probably more if it is 2015 or newer, Kenworth tractor into a lawless area? No? Saying “Yes” is madness…
Well over $100K not counting cargo. Twenty years ago, my brother said that drivers were advised by the police in the Bronx and Brooklyn not to stop for lights. Thieves would break open the trailer and loot it while it was in motion.
The only saving grace is that even the rare “urban youth” that can drive stick doesn’t have clue when confronted with a 13 or 15 speed, non-synchronized transmission and air brakes so they can’t get away with the truck.
Video of a spear waving homeless man on one destroyed plot amusing. He is waving around a spear and threatening passerby’s to battle and has declared himself king of the garden. Bet the gardening commutards wish they could call the cops.
Archery as a necessary gardening skill?
I wonder what tiny (vanishingly small?) percentage of the urban and suburban population have any inkling what it takes to feed a person. A five acre farm that includes livestock can support a family of four, foodwise, but that involves being willing to take a captive bolt gun to your pet pig, and the knowledge to of how to turn him into edible pork. I’m a soulless monster and have done both, but it’s not for the squeamish. And watching my wife struggle with her 400 square foot vegetable garden shows the plant part’s not so easy either. I’ve been growing sumac, which is mighty attractive to deer…
I grew up on a 600+ acre corn and soybean operation (aka farm) in the 60’s & 70’s. My grandfather had livestock my grandmother raised chickens and sold the eggs to local grocers. As a child, I often wondered how people in [sub]urbanity had any life skills? I guessed back then that a lot of people sold insurance?
I could say if you are pursuing extreme self-sufficiency, were you collecting limestone and rust (or black) colored rocks and using clay to built an iron smelter?
I guess General Secretary Mao encouraged “human scale” iron or steel making, although his initiative may have started with scrap metal. There was NOVA documentary, however, of a man in Door County, WI, home of all things artsy and eccentric in ‘Sconsin, who did such a thing because he was trying to replicate the process to make one of the highly reputed Viking era steel sword blades.
“They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks.” (Isaiah 2:4) So I guess the technology for iron tools is “dual use”?
Personally, I am willing to sweat reclaiming a patch of land for a kitchen vegetable garden using a pruning saw (a pruning hook) and a shovel, but my preference is for steel implements thank-you-very-much rather than reverting to bronze (!?) or stone tools.
Ag is very important, critically important if we don’t want to live off squirrel meat and boiled acorns, but we live in enough of a highly interdependent world to feed ourselves without social cooperation.
There is always Heinlein’s list “A Man should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently and die gallantly. Specialization is for insects”
Still, is iron and steel making on that list? Blacksmiths, specialists actually, used to do such a thing prior to Henry Bessemer’s invention.
One thought I had regarding how we could restore an industrial civilization, post Mad Max apocalypse, using steam power.
There is a chicken-and-egg situation that you need high quality iron and steel to build the tools needed for the Industrial Revolution, which required high quality iron and steel.
One of the requirements is forced draft furnaces. You cannot get a charcoal (or coal or wood) fire hot enough by natural, convective draft, and forced draft was done (or is done by Door County Dude) by human-powered and later water-powered bellows.
The bellows could be replaced by steam-powered air pumps, but steam power requires quality metals for the boiler, the pistons and the mechanical parts. On account of this, steam power for the longest time was limited to Heron’s (sometimes rendered as Hero) aeolipile, a terribly inefficient bladeless steam turbine dating to first-century Roman times, long thought to be useless apart from its entertainment value, but speculated to have been used in Medieval monastery kitchens to turn spits for roasting meat.
The next advance in steam power came 1600 years later with Savery’s pumping engine involving a vacuum generated in a chamber by condensing steam starting at atmospheric pressure, also terribly inefficient but apparently of practical use in city water supplies and powering public fountains in England. Just about every account attributes this invention as the spark igniting the Industrial Revolution.
What about steam under modest pressure as in Heron’s turbine but powering a bladeless, moving-part free ejector nozzle to supply forced draft for an iron or steelmaking furnace? Also terribly inefficient from both an aerodynamic and thermodynamic point of view, but could it have gotten the job done? Could this have started the Industrial Revolution in Roman Times?
I remember a friend telling me about a SF book about the difficulties of restarting an Industrial Civilization after a loss of the easily accessible raw materials that have already been mined/processed etc. The question becomes how energy effective is it to refashion already made material, which is in abundance? If the energy equation is upside down, you’re in trouble. I think the book was Lucifer’s Hammer? Never read it. Posthumous apologies.
https://wompwompwomp.com/
The difference is that for one it’s a job that they depend on to make a living, for the other it’s just a virtue signaling hobby.
Yeah, it’s doubtful that any of them will want to freely give their time to care for the garden so it can feed one person, much less thousands. It is also doubtful a group if them will freely give their time and toil either.
Some of the plants will live because even plants have the desire to fight through the adversity of dealing with a human hellscape in order to live another day. Many wont make it though, more victims of progressive Marxism. I feel so sorry for the pets.
This aggression cannot be allowed to stand in the country formerly known as CHAZ! I immediately call for proper plant representation on the Conflict Resolution Advisory Council! Therefore I demand at least TWO representative slots on the council for representative members for which the council guarantees the cost of pottage in order to attend when necessary. One slot/pot for deciduous and one for non-deciduous members. No rulings that effect deciduous members can be passed after late fall, during winter and not until after full foliage in the Spring. Any ruling can be revised in the following growth season upon demand by the deciduous member.
Take a stand against herbicide and herbivoreism! End the injustice of horticulture! Potted Plants on CRAC NOW! PPoC!
Any ruling can be revised in the following growth season upon demand by the [newly elected] deciduous member.
Given that a poll of truck drives shows that over 3/4 won’t pickup or deliver to areas that defund the police, I wonder how long it will be until urban leftards discover that food does not originate from supermarkets?
Well, they can always start little gardens. And then, when someone comes along and steals their crops, they can dial 911 and get a social worker who asks “how does that make you feel?”
Hungry?
So as a driver would You drive your 60,000$, probably more if it is 2015 or newer, Kenworth tractor into a lawless area? No? Saying “Yes” is madness…
Well over $100K not counting cargo. Twenty years ago, my brother said that drivers were advised by the police in the Bronx and Brooklyn not to stop for lights. Thieves would break open the trailer and loot it while it was in motion.
The only saving grace is that even the rare “urban youth” that can drive stick doesn’t have clue when confronted with a 13 or 15 speed, non-synchronized transmission and air brakes so they can’t get away with the truck.
Video of a spear waving homeless man on one destroyed plot amusing. He is waving around a spear and threatening passerby’s to battle and has declared himself king of the garden. Bet the gardening commutards wish they could call the cops.
Archery as a necessary gardening skill?
I wonder what tiny (vanishingly small?) percentage of the urban and suburban population have any inkling what it takes to feed a person. A five acre farm that includes livestock can support a family of four, foodwise, but that involves being willing to take a captive bolt gun to your pet pig, and the knowledge to of how to turn him into edible pork. I’m a soulless monster and have done both, but it’s not for the squeamish. And watching my wife struggle with her 400 square foot vegetable garden shows the plant part’s not so easy either. I’ve been growing sumac, which is mighty attractive to deer…
I grew up on a 600+ acre corn and soybean operation (aka farm) in the 60’s & 70’s. My grandfather had livestock my grandmother raised chickens and sold the eggs to local grocers. As a child, I often wondered how people in [sub]urbanity had any life skills? I guessed back then that a lot of people sold insurance?
I could say if you are pursuing extreme self-sufficiency, were you collecting limestone and rust (or black) colored rocks and using clay to built an iron smelter?
I guess General Secretary Mao encouraged “human scale” iron or steel making, although his initiative may have started with scrap metal. There was NOVA documentary, however, of a man in Door County, WI, home of all things artsy and eccentric in ‘Sconsin, who did such a thing because he was trying to replicate the process to make one of the highly reputed Viking era steel sword blades.
“They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks.” (Isaiah 2:4) So I guess the technology for iron tools is “dual use”?
Personally, I am willing to sweat reclaiming a patch of land for a kitchen vegetable garden using a pruning saw (a pruning hook) and a shovel, but my preference is for steel implements thank-you-very-much rather than reverting to bronze (!?) or stone tools.
Ag is very important, critically important if we don’t want to live off squirrel meat and boiled acorns, but we live in enough of a highly interdependent world to feed ourselves without social cooperation.
There is always Heinlein’s list “A Man should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently and die gallantly. Specialization is for insects”
Still, is iron and steel making on that list? Blacksmiths, specialists actually, used to do such a thing prior to Henry Bessemer’s invention.
See this link on pre-Industrial Age iron making.
https://www.quora.com/Where-did-medieval-blacksmiths-get-their-raw-iron-and-in-what-form
One thought I had regarding how we could restore an industrial civilization, post Mad Max apocalypse, using steam power.
There is a chicken-and-egg situation that you need high quality iron and steel to build the tools needed for the Industrial Revolution, which required high quality iron and steel.
One of the requirements is forced draft furnaces. You cannot get a charcoal (or coal or wood) fire hot enough by natural, convective draft, and forced draft was done (or is done by Door County Dude) by human-powered and later water-powered bellows.
The bellows could be replaced by steam-powered air pumps, but steam power requires quality metals for the boiler, the pistons and the mechanical parts. On account of this, steam power for the longest time was limited to Heron’s (sometimes rendered as Hero) aeolipile, a terribly inefficient bladeless steam turbine dating to first-century Roman times, long thought to be useless apart from its entertainment value, but speculated to have been used in Medieval monastery kitchens to turn spits for roasting meat.
The next advance in steam power came 1600 years later with Savery’s pumping engine involving a vacuum generated in a chamber by condensing steam starting at atmospheric pressure, also terribly inefficient but apparently of practical use in city water supplies and powering public fountains in England. Just about every account attributes this invention as the spark igniting the Industrial Revolution.
What about steam under modest pressure as in Heron’s turbine but powering a bladeless, moving-part free ejector nozzle to supply forced draft for an iron or steelmaking furnace? Also terribly inefficient from both an aerodynamic and thermodynamic point of view, but could it have gotten the job done? Could this have started the Industrial Revolution in Roman Times?
I remember a friend telling me about a SF book about the difficulties of restarting an Industrial Civilization after a loss of the easily accessible raw materials that have already been mined/processed etc. The question becomes how energy effective is it to refashion already made material, which is in abundance? If the energy equation is upside down, you’re in trouble. I think the book was Lucifer’s Hammer? Never read it. Posthumous apologies.
Posthumous apologies
To Jerry Pournelle.