50 thoughts on “Good Luck With That”

  1. Did it ever occur to these one-term Soros recipients that perhaps, just perhaps the local police will be willingly federalized? What will be their response when Trump appoints his own no BS Wyatt Earp?

    1. The problem David is you and Rand have no credibility. For most of my life I have heard from Conservatives like the two of you about the importance of Federalism and state and local control. Now that “your” guy is in trouble goodbye Charlie Brown to Federalism. It’s not like there are any protests in Jackson Hole, WY why do you guys care what is going on Portland.

      1. How is it my guy? If the local police decide who they take orders from before they are fired en mass as has been suggested? I don’t see how everyone slinging their own gun is preferable. Or a ‘militia’ which I’m sure you wouldn’t think was too good an idea? Remember vacuums always get filled.

      2. I am not a conservative. I am concerned about what is happening in Portland because I don’t want to encourage and empower people who by their own words want to tear down the Republic.

        1. I think there is a difference between people saying something and having the means and intent to do so. I don’t think people should graffiti tag Federal buildings but there is a difference between that and having military grade weaponry/tactics AND calling to overthrow the Republic. I would consider Antifa to be a bunch of vandals and petty criminals not a para-military group with military weapons and tactics and to be within the realm of state and local law enforcement no matter how incompetent state and local LE is.

          An example in the past in North America where I think were you had a group that was starting to become border-line insurrectionist in terms of having military style fire-power and tactics(and wearing combat fatigues themselves) was during the Oka crisis with the Mohawk Warriors in Canada in 1989 where the Canadian Federal Govt sent in the military at the request of Quebec police after a weeks long siege.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61ldZTjlfgE

          Many of Mohawk Warrior’s themselves were Army veterans including some from the US during Vietnam. I just don’t see what is going on in Portland or Antifa to be something equaling to the level of a real insurrection. To put it another way in fight between Mohawk Warriors and Antifa I am pretty sure the Mohawk Warriors would kick Antifa’s ass thus I am concerned as a Libertarian about sending in federal forces for what is still basically a local matter of a bunch of local thugs.

          Thirdly I think the type of government forces i.e. DHS being sent into Portland are basically military rejects. IF you actually a REAL insurrection you send in the best military forces available such as the Canadians did back in 1989(under their Federal War Powers/Insurrection Act) with a clearly defined mission not third rate DHS “mall cop” military rejects. Notice that the Canadian Army took complete control of the situation in Oka without ever firing a bullet.

          1. I think it’s a little more subtle than that. The shift to Federal assets is key. Prior to that it seemed clear the Feds / Trump was content with the “Pottery Barn” strategy. As long as Antifa was destroying Dem city assets hands off. Now the focus switches to Federal assets the Dem city pols seem happy to watch burn to the ground. Making Trump appear weak. The retargeting of “protestors” from city police depts. to Federal courthouses is no accident.

          2. “Thirdly I think the type of government forces i.e. DHS being sent into Portland are basically military rejects.”

            It’s wild off the wall unsubstantiated statements – which are thinly veiled insults – like this that make me laugh at the left. Statements like this make you easily ignored.

            Prove it.

          3. Democrats are murdering people, beating them, burning down their businesses, sicking media mobs on those who wont comply, closing down freeways, instituting systemic racism, sending people to reeducation classes, makung people endure struggle sessions, and doing it all while advocating for progressive Marxist revolution.

            They have shown intent and between the power they use in the street to terrorize the populace and the power they wield in elected office and “career” government workforce, they have the power to implement their Year Zero. It is happening before our eye.

            They have nearly abandoned revolution through incrementalism as they have nearly enough institutional and street militant power to sweep aside any peaceful civilian resistance.

          4. “Thirdly I think the type of government forces i.e. DHS being sent into Portland are basically military rejects.”

            It’s wild off the wall unsubstantiated statements – which are thinly veiled insults – like this that make me laugh at the left. Statements like this make you easily ignored.

            Evidence:

            1) They dress pretty. Camo in an urban environment (look at top photo). Also look at how much gear they’re wearing.

            2) They waste their time with tactics like this (from same link).

            One trigger for the swelling demonstrations was the emergence of a video showing men in camouflage seizing a man walking down a street and putting him in an unmarked vehicle. The officers didn’t identify themselves or their agency when asked, and that the detention occurred some distance from the courthouse spurred concerns about the breadth of the federal activity.

      3. Tim, I live within 15 miles of Portland, and I care a *lot* what happens there. As early as last December *I* was sitting in the Powell’s Books in Beaverton, listening to 2 Antifa fools talking, and heard the words “Forget about the elections, …it’ll all burn before then”.

        Federalism *is* important. Still, both sides of the federal network must be maintained. When defending Federal property is denied, and denial of that on any substantial basis is being done by Mayor Wheeler, then the Federal government must act anyway.

        1. Tom, do you happen to recall when in December you heard this? Was it after the first week in December?

          The reason I ask is that I’ve got a theory I’ve been trying to get more supporting details for, and that’d be one. My theory is that this outbreak of violence makes no sense if we assume it’s organic. Why now, in the midst of a pandemic, and not after a more clear-cut murder, like that of Eric Gardener. So, may take is that this is orchestrated. It’s being done mainly on social media, where China has a vast number of bots (on twitter and elsewhere, in spite of Twitter being banned in their fascist nation, so this is clearly not for domestic purposes) and the first week of December is about when their regime became fully aware that the virus outbreak in Wuhan was going to spread, and when they began taking measures to help it do so.

          Then you have ANTIFA, which has long been helped by China. It also looks like one of the reasons the Chinese consulate in Houston is being shuttered is they were bringing in things “that would be quite helpful to the rioters”, as one source put it.

          What I think is that the protests/riots are being built, fed, and supported by China, aided and abetted by their willing quislings in the media. (Let’s not forget that most MSN news agencies are divisions of corporations with huge interests in the China market). That’s why we get stories about “mostly peaceful” riots, looting, mass kidnappings (freeways), etc.

          Take care and keep yourself safe up there.

      4. Federalism doesn’t mean that the feds don’t enforce federal laws or protect federal properties. Have the feds acted outside of their long recognized sphere of power? No.

        If the Democrats in Chicago break federal laws and the feds enforcing those laws leads to less murders, great. The same is true for Portland and Seattle. People have the right to not get abused by the Democrats. It would be nice to see more “libertarians” stand up against the injustice inflicted on us by the progressive marxist Democrat party.

        You know, they wont let you exercise any of our rights when they have power.

      5. Well, TBF: I don’t really care what’s going on in Portland, except to the extent that it costs me as a taxpayer. Destroying federal buildings, assaulting and potentially blinding federal employees, is grounds for concern.

        As far as Seattle, Portland, Chicago, NYC, etc….They voted for those leaders, who were quite up front about their desires and plans..as such, the people should get what they voted for: GOOD AND HARD

  2. How does a prosecutor “arrest” anyone by issuing warrants? Does this clown have his own private police force? If so, then let’s start the defunding right there. If not, then would it be civil disobedience for other police forces to refuse to serve those warrants?

    Forcing the cops to make a decision like this is a bad idea unless this clown is really, really certain that his enforcers will do his bidding. If they are, then we have a real problem and it’s nice of him to force it out into the open.

    It really does look like this time the Democrats have decided to not wait to lose the election this time, and to start the war before they even try to win at the ballot box.

    1. Any local cop who doesn’t arrest someone when ordered loses their job and paycheck which comes from the local government. Also Pelosi can shutdown the government on October 1 if Trump doesn’t bend to her will.

      1. That’s pretty cool. A prosecutor should just order cops to arrest all the criminals and our crime problems would disappear overnight.

      2. And if they try to serve that warrant, they get arrested by the feds for attempted kidnapping and go straight to a federal detention center.

        At that point, the Feds can roll up the prosecutor and anyone else involved in conspiracy charges.

      3. “Any local cop who doesn’t arrest someone when ordered loses their job and paycheck which comes from the local government.”

        But he keeps his honor. No one in Portland is fool enough to swear an oath to defend Mayor Wheeler’s will.

      4. Any local cop who doesn’t arrest someone when ordered loses their job and paycheck which comes from the local government.

        Oh my, the new troll is stating rules. What about the laws regarding obstructing a federal officer?

        And let us know when Rand called for the firebombing of a federal building. I’ll wait.

        And also ask any veteran of the war on terror what they think of your argument about “military tactics and weapons” with respect to their experience with IEDs.

      5. When the ‘government’ shuts down, do you have any idea how much actually shuts down?

        About 10% of spending…

        Big deal. If federal employees are not essential, why are they employed?

  3. > Also Pelosi can shutdown the government on October 1 if Trump doesn’t bend to her will.<

    Do it Nancy!!

    1. I put the odds of this happening as high as 30-40%. The shutdown threat is significant is that if Blue state governors and mayors start firing cops Trump can’t just put them on the Federal payroll without Pelosi’s approval in a government funding bill and hence a government shutdown.

      1. I hope the blue states do that, because about 12% of the public thinks reducing police funding won’t result in more crime. It will turn those blue states red. 🙂

      2. Unlike past GOP presidents and GOP congress critters (e.g. Paul Ryan), Trump won’t let Pelosi get away with shutting down the government and then blaming Trump.

        We elected a sledge hammer (h/t/ Schlicter) and one reason we did so is that he’ll fight back instead of meekly accepting Pelosi’s nonsense.

        If Pelosi shuts down the government that’s another 500,000 votes for Trump PLUS, Trump’s just the guy to say:

        “Well gee we have existed for these many weeks without the Fill-in-the_blank department. Guess we don’t really need them.”

    1. The reason McConnell will be scurrying to get Trump to back down is there is a contingent of politicians on both the left and right that have wanted to abolish DHS for a long time. Recent events may cause an increasing number of Democrats to support this view to the point it becomes an unstoppable majority. Why is this bad for the McConnell’s and Shelby’s of the world. DHS is known to be almost as big of a source of pork as NASA with many of the same players like LockMart and Boeing lining up at the trough. McConnell and Shelby are far more concerned with DHS pork than Trump’s election or violence in “Blue” cities. This is the “real” story of Trump’s Presidency.

    2. He is probably just relying on a media that carefully crafts sensational deceits. At the link, they remove a lot of context, like the specific wording of the question asked. He also says the feds can protect federal property.

      “”But, the reports that I read about roving around on the street and stopping people and taking them down, strike me as going beyond that authority,””

      Ahh, he was just relying on the Democrat propaganda and not the objective facts.

      The media should be informing the public about the truth of what is goung in but instead they use deceits. It is very effective for them as both your link and comments show.

  4. So they don’t want “uniformed” Federal police “kidnapping” people off the streets: if there are any crimes being committed, they’ll do something about it, they say.

    Good to know rioting and looting isn’t a crime in Philadelphia.

    1. Rioting and looting are state level criminal offenses. Under the 10th amendment any state legislature can quite legitimately decriminalize looting and rioting and the Federal government has nothing to say about it.

      1. “Rioting and looting are state level criminal offenses. Under the 10th amendment any state legislature can quite legitimately decriminalize looting and rioting and the Federal government has nothing to say about it.”

        Unless after doing such the Federal Government decided that decriminalizing such is inciting lawlessness. They could say doing so is in effect a violation of the insurrection act and used that as a pretext to send in federal troops

      2. If you think decriminalizing rioting and looting is okay under the 10th Amendment, you’re no libertarian, though you may well be a Libertarian. One of the reasons I left the party was that it had become obvious that it was being taken over by the American Left. That transition seems to be now all but complete. So that makes you either one of the infiltrators or a useful idiot.

        1. Actually, if that is what the community chooses then that is what they decide. A libertarian accepts that as citizens exercising their rights to live as they see fit. Seems entirely libertarian to me. Not that I would live there. Luckily I live in Texas where the folks are generally polite and respectful and the sort of nonsense going on elsewhere would not be tolerated for long.

          That being said, I am quite concerned about how events are unfolding. Folks are airing grievances to a really not very nice response. Government derives its authority and power from the consent of the citizenry, and part of the message the airing of grievances is broadcasting is that the citizens are wavering in their consent at being governed in the way they have been governed over the last few years/decades.

          As someone who voted for Ron Paul in 1988, I’ve been pushing back against the Demicans/Republicrats and what they’ve they’ve been doing for a long time. Both sides are complicit in what has happened, and I regard them as flip sides of the same coin. I’m voting for a new coin again. Again.

          1. “Actually, if that is what the community chooses then that is what they decide.”

            Except, it isn’t the “community” deciding. When they chant Marxist slogans like, “Whose streets? Our Streets!” They don’t mean the totality of the public. They mean their’s as in their groups’.

            Absent a response from government, that leaves street battles between different political factions.

            “Folks are airing grievances to a really not very nice response.”

            Democrats aren’t airing grievances. They are weaponizing empathy to shield them from their true goal, a Progressive Marxist system of government. It isn’t enough to look at what they say they are against, racism, but what they are for, a totalitarian system of governance.

            Democrats and Republicans are different sides of the coin, because Republicans don’t want tyranny. I am not sure where libertarians fit in as they often support tyranny and/or have utopian views which are not achievable.

      3. no problem. Do it.The government that legalizes or decriminalized rioting and looting won’t stay in office past the next election. In addition, every merchant will move the hell out of the state, since they have been officially branded as targets

        1. And the rural folks can just cut the power and water lines that feed into the cities, since that won’t be illegal, either.

          1. Both true but the plague has shown that disruptions to supply lines don’t just hurt city people. It might hurt city people more as they are less capable of dealing with it but it will suck for everyone.

          2. And the rural folks can just cut the power and water lines that feed into the cities, since that won’t be illegal, either.

            10th Amendment after all.

    1. Far IR can see through some masks. Push it into the far far IR, aka terahertz waves, and sensors can image through far more substantial materials. But those aren’t cheap cameras.

    2. You don’t need to see though masks. All those people who went out an got lots of tattoos because they lack self-control? As it turns out, those might as well be federal ID numbers stamped on their foreheads. And it is not facial recognition, either! ^_^

    3. The idea of spraying dye into the crowd makes a lot of sense. I’m not sure why acting as a group to break the law and terrorize the populace like this allows an individual participant to escape punishment. That doesn’t fly for gangs of bank robbers.

  5. “One trigger for the swelling demonstrations was the emergence of a video showing men in camouflage seizing a man walking down a street and putting him in an unmarked vehicle. ”

    On the 50th day of riots, they were triggered and bent time and space to explain how the actions on that day justified the previous 50 days of riots.

    Of course, how they were dressed had everything to do with it. They could have worn normal cop clothes, like the cops in Chicago who weren’t even wearing riot gear but shorts and button ups. That totally prevented the mob of Democrats from pelting them with bottles of urine, frozen canned beverages, explosive mortar style fireworks, and thrashing on them with blunt objects.

    Libertarians (l) can be very intellectual people but they believe a bunch of fairy tales.

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